MagSlim -Who's the oldest person who --in their current shape-- wins UFC 1?
Mark Coleman
Tank Abbot
Chuck Norris?
Coleman is plausible.
Norris is north of 70, so no. Abbot in his prime wasn't quite an automatic win over UFC 1 Royce, and his prime was 20 years ago.
Chromium -Henderson?MagSlim -Who's the oldest person who --in their current shape-- wins UFC 1?
Mark Coleman
Tank Abbot
Chuck Norris?
Coleman is plausible.
Norris is north of 70, so no. Abbot in his prime wasn't quite an automatic win over UFC 1 Royce, and his prime was 20 years ago.
Mhorad -Chromium -AnthonyWeiner -Chromium -Royce was 170 with high-level BJJ (but not exactly Mundials Champion level) and little else. He was a good athlete but not world class.
DJ at Openweight, sssuming he actually gets to train ahead of time, is about 140-145. His all-around skills are light years beyond Royce's. Pat Smith may have 80-90 lbs. on Mighty Mouse but he does not keep it standing, and even if he somehow does, he gets tagged all to fuck before he gasses. Royce gets boxed up on his feet. Shamrock gets swept and submitted. This has proven over and over and over again, ironically dating back to UFC: a giant gap in skill > huge gap in size.
The game is very, very, very different than it was 24 years ago.
Delusional. There isn't any setting on earth where DJ beats UFC 1 Ken Shamrock. Ken might literally toss that little man out of the cage (especially since it was shorter until Tank/Worsham).Yes, because he used his size and strength advantage so well against Royce Gracie.
Dude, he had 60 lbs. on Royce, and still got schooled on the ground. In the 5 minute window before he would have utterly gassed, Ken would have been schooled in grappling no matter what he tried. Furthermore, wading in to try and land a big punch or knee would have just resulted in him eat a non-stop barrage of counterpunches by the fastest man in the sport.
Do you have any idea how big the skill gap you're talking about is? Pride did many more of these big man / little man matches, many with much larger size disparities than this, and it just kept proving the point over and over again. A big size advantage does not trump a massive difference in skill.
Jesus. Are you on drugs?
There is a reason Johnson cuts to his tiny weiny weight division.
He would be praying to beat those old school guys TODAY let alone back then with fuck all rules and no point scoring bullshit.
Get the fuck out of here with your bullshit. Lol
Do you honestly believe he'd have trouble with those fighters today at 50+ years old?
DJ was 7yrs old when ufc1 happened he would have been tossed out the ring.
Chromium -Royce was 170 with high-level BJJ (but not exactly Mundials Champion level) and little else. He was a good athlete but not world class.
DJ at Openweight, sssuming he actually gets to train ahead of time, is about 140-145. His all-around skills are light years beyond Royce's. Pat Smith may have 80-90 lbs. on Mighty Mouse but he does not keep it standing, and even if he somehow does, he gets tagged all to fuck before he gasses. Royce gets boxed up on his feet. Shamrock gets swept and submitted. This has proven over and over and over again, ironically dating back to UFC: a giant gap in skill > huge gap in size.
The game is very, very, very different than it was 24 years ago.
GladiatorGannon -Chromium -Royce was 170 with high-level BJJ (but not exactly Mundials Champion level) and little else. He was a good athlete but not world class.
DJ at Openweight, sssuming he actually gets to train ahead of time, is about 140-145. His all-around skills are light years beyond Royce's. Pat Smith may have 80-90 lbs. on Mighty Mouse but he does not keep it standing, and even if he somehow does, he gets tagged all to fuck before he gasses. Royce gets boxed up on his feet. Shamrock gets swept and submitted. This has proven over and over and over again, ironically dating back to UFC: a giant gap in skill > huge gap in size.
The game is very, very, very different than it was 24 years ago.
Mighty Mouse at an open weight is probably only 20-30lbs lighter than Royce and has better takedowns.
Mouse takes it. Kind of insulting really....
. Roids back then, as well. MM on roids makes it look easy.
Pat Smith Ken Shamrock Royce Gracie and probobly 90 percent of the fighters in UFC 1 would destroy MM IMO
Shamrock wouldn't get his hands on DJ and would get picked apart. DJ wins the whole damn thing.
20-30 lbs is such a significant disadvantage.
145ers even during fights look sooo small compared to 155 and literally like midgets next 170. That 15 lbs. who really knows I guess but maybe Japan can recreate UFC 1 and throw in some of their best flyweights LOL
Yuki Nakai all day
eddieistheillest -Chromium -AnthonyWeiner -Chromium -Royce was 170 with high-level BJJ (but not exactly Mundials Champion level) and little else. He was a good athlete but not world class.
DJ at Openweight, sssuming he actually gets to train ahead of time, is about 140-145. His all-around skills are light years beyond Royce's. Pat Smith may have 80-90 lbs. on Mighty Mouse but he does not keep it standing, and even if he somehow does, he gets tagged all to fuck before he gasses. Royce gets boxed up on his feet. Shamrock gets swept and submitted. This has proven over and over and over again, ironically dating back to UFC: a giant gap in skill > huge gap in size.
The game is very, very, very different than it was 24 years ago.
Delusional. There isn't any setting on earth where DJ beats UFC 1 Ken Shamrock. Ken might literally toss that little man out of the cage (especially since it was shorter until Tank/Worsham).Yes, because he used his size and strength advantage so well against Royce Gracie.
Dude, he had 60 lbs. on Royce, and still got schooled on the ground. In the 5 minute window before he would have utterly gassed, Ken would have been schooled in grappling no matter what he tried. Furthermore, wading in to try and land a big punch or knee would have just resulted in him eat a non-stop barrage of counterpunches by the fastest man in the sport.
Do you have any idea how big the skill gap you're talking about is? Pride did many more of these big man / little man matches, many with much larger size disparities than this, and it just kept proving the point over and over again. A big size advantage does not trump a massive difference in skill.
I'm with you , skill over size . DJ is light years ahead of anyone in UFC 1. He would use distance and footwork to get the wins.
I think DJ has a good shot. There's no way he wins a striking match against most of the UFC 1 comp. Especially with bareknuckles. There's just no way he generates enough force to hurt a guy like Pat Smith without breaking his hands.
Takedown to sub is his only chance, but he's a tiny guy.
Royce was not this small weak guy that people like to portray him. There's a reason he was in there instead of much better BJJ'er Royler.
Was there really thirteen hours between the last post and mine? This thread was still on the main page. How dead is this place?