as i’ve gotten older i have had to change my game a bit. unfortunately, that change sometimes includes getting rid of some of my favorite moves.
MOVES TO AVOID:
armbars and triangles from the guard. this used to be my go to game and i’ve wrecked a lot of good guys with it. but at the same time i’ve been stacked way too many times and it’s just not worth the risk to my spine anymore. it’s sad because there have been times where i’ve been in a competitive roll and the chance to triangle the shit out of someone presented itself but i had to decline.
marcelo garcia knee slice from half guard. another one of my favorite guard passes back in the day. but i’ve been in too many situations where my knee has been torqued in weird positions. it’s usually when a strong white belt clamps on to the half guard and does some explosive movement as i’m freeing my leg.
rolling omoplatas. i did these for a while and they were fun. but again, i’ve been stacked and tweaked my neck a few times.
inverted guard. i did this for a little bit and it is definitely an effective tool (esp. for retention) but the risk of being stacked is too high
any leglock battle. i know i should practice these moves but it’s just not worth it now that i’m older. if i get the sense that someone is even thinking about leglocking me i’ll tap.
I beg to differ. I’m 44 years old with 21 years of BJJ wear and tear and I have been training a lot of judo the past 7 years. The key is to train judo with other judokas in a judo environment. If you try and train judo throws with BJJ practitioners who are not training with a judo mindset then the risk for injury on both sides is much higher.
I beg to differ. I’m 44 years old with 21 years of BJJ wear and tear and I have been training a lot of judo the past 7 years. The key is to train judo with other judokas in a judo environment. If you try and train judo throws with BJJ practitioners who are not training with a judo mindset then the risk for injury on both sides is much higher.
Point taken, never done that properly at a Judo dojo.
I beg to differ. I’m 44 years old with 21 years of BJJ wear and tear and I have been training a lot of judo the past 7 years. The key is to train judo with other judokas in a judo environment. If you try and train judo throws with BJJ practitioners who are not training with a judo mindset then the risk for injury on both sides is much higher.
I agree with you, and I feel the same about wrestling too in this way.
WHy is this so? I have always thought this but have had a hard time explaining why to other people.
What is it about training judo (or wrestling) with BJJ guys that increase the risk of injury?
I beg to differ. I’m 44 years old with 21 years of BJJ wear and tear and I have been training a lot of judo the past 7 years. The key is to train judo with other judokas in a judo environment. If you try and train judo throws with BJJ practitioners who are not training with a judo mindset then the risk for injury on both sides is much higher.
Respect brother, great that you practise and keep strong
I beg to differ. I’m 44 years old with 21 years of BJJ wear and tear and I have been training a lot of judo the past 7 years. The key is to train judo with other judokas in a judo environment. If you try and train judo throws with BJJ practitioners who are not training with a judo mindset then the risk for injury on both sides is much higher.
I agree with you, and I feel the same about wrestling too in this way.
WHy is this so? I have always thought this but have had a hard time explaining why to other people.
What is it about training judo (or wrestling) with BJJ guys that increase the risk of injury?
Because we BJJers learn about 3 throws, learn them badly, and practice them rarely. In particular, we don't learn the concept of kuzushi, so everyone ends up going for throws like they're trying to throw a sack of cement. Plus in BJJ we don't learn proper ukemi, so we land like a sack of cement too as we're all terrified and don't relax. Being thrown by a good judoka is the safest thing in the world. You land before you're aware of even being thrown, and your descent is controlled, rather than being based on the whim of good fortune.
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<span class="User-148458" id="userPost60676351"><span class="User-347580" id="userPost60675902">WHy is this so? I have always thought this but have had a hard time explaining why to other people.</span></span></p>
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<span class="User-148458" id="userPost60676351">Because we BJJers learn about 3 throws, learn them badly, and practice them rarely. In particular, we don't learn the concept of kuzushi, so everyone ends up going for throws like they're trying to throw a sack of cement. Plus in BJJ we don't learn proper ukemi, so we land like a sack of cement too as we're all terrified and don't relax. Being thrown by a good judoka is the safest thing in the world. You land before you're aware of even being thrown, and your descent is controlled, rather than being based on the whim of good fortune.</span></p>
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Exactly what James said. An added point to ukemi is that in BJJ we often practice ukemi solo (e.g., without a partner), but we are less likely to practice it while actually being thrown. I had done thousands of solo break falls in BJJ class, but once I started judo I realized I was still very much a beginner at ukemi.
I thought statistically judo has a much higher injury rate
It could. I'm just not aware of any well-controlled studies that have compared the two arts...and whether those studies have taken the topic of this discussion into consideration (i.e., is judo an art to be avoided as you get older). It's entirely possible that the highest percentage of judo injuries occur in a younger age group.
As someone experienced in Judo, wrestling and BJJ, I will say none are health promoting beyond being a physical; activity.
Judo is terribly hard on the body, no matter your skill at break-falling - the older you are, it’s just not worth the risk unless you are serious about competing.
My uncle trained Judo in Japan in the 1970s, and he said it is a complete myth that a lot of the old masters still “do Judo”. Almost none of them did. They just “trained” in limited ways, such as light rip fighting, kata, and demonstrating throws, along with occasional light randori.
Also, he noted that, most of the older guys he saw still in the Dojo were very light guys. He almost never saw bigger guys still participating. When he asked about it, they basically said something like the bigger they are the harder they land.
But Judo in Japan was seen as much as a philosophy as a sport, and the older guys lended more to the philosophy of Kano done through kata, etc.
HotSteppa - As someone experienced in Judo, wrestling and BJJ, I will say none are health promoting beyond being a physical; activity.
Judo is terribly hard on the body, no matter your skill at break-falling - the older you are, it’s just not worth the risk unless you are serious about competing.
My uncle trained Judo in Japan in the 1970s, and he said it is a complete myth that a lot of the old masters still “do Judo”. Almost none of them did. They just “trained” in limited ways, such as light rip fighting, kata, and demonstrating throws, along with occasional light randori.
Also, he noted that, most of the older guys he saw still in the Dojo were very light guys. He almost never saw bigger guys still participating. When he asked about it, they basically said something like the bigger they are the harder they land.
But Judo in Japan was seen as much as a philosophy as a sport, and the older guys lended more to the philosophy of Kano done through kata, etc.
I'm confused. You say almost none of the older judokas still "do judo." They just "trained" in limiting ways, such as light grip fighting, kata, demonstrating throws, and ocassional light randori. In my opinion that is still doing judo. Plus, I am not speaking as someone whose body has taken 40 years of judo throws, but rather someone who has done BJJ for 21 years and taken up judo the past seven. Without a doubt judo, like any other physical sport, can take its toll on the body over time.
HotSteppa - As someone experienced in Judo, wrestling and BJJ, I will say none are health promoting beyond being a physical; activity.
Judo is terribly hard on the body, no matter your skill at break-falling - the older you are, it’s just not worth the risk unless you are serious about competing.
My uncle trained Judo in Japan in the 1970s, and he said it is a complete myth that a lot of the old masters still “do Judo”. Almost none of them did. They just “trained” in limited ways, such as light rip fighting, kata, and demonstrating throws, along with occasional light randori.
Also, he noted that, most of the older guys he saw still in the Dojo were very light guys. He almost never saw bigger guys still participating. When he asked about it, they basically said something like the bigger they are the harder they land.
But Judo in Japan was seen as much as a philosophy as a sport, and the older guys lended more to the philosophy of Kano done through kata, etc.
I'm confused. You say almost none of the older judokas still "do judo." They just "trained" in limiting ways, such as light grip fighting, kata, demonstrating throws, and ocassional light randori. In my opinion that is still doing judo. Plus, I am not speaking as someone whose body has taken 40 years of judo throws, but rather someone who has done BJJ for 21 years and taken up judo the past seven. Without a doubt judo, like any other physical sport, can take its toll on the body over time.
Hi,
Sorry, that is why I put “train” in quotes to highlight how they practice in comparison to what we normally thinking of what training compromises in grappling arts.
What I mean was their training is usually focused differently, ie. not competitive sparring at all, or focused on instruction. It is narrowed, and emphasizes other aspects of the art.
IT would would be akin to an older BJJer only doing very light sparring once or twice a month, focusing on conceptual understanding, working lightly on specific techniques, teaching, and the social aspects. Promotion would be based on length of service rather than performance.
Judo is hard on the body. In fact, being heavier, all my injuries came from practicing Judo. A small twist here and there can change everything.
People on here are right that BJJers suck at taking, and giving throws. They don’t want to take the 2 years to learn the basic of falling, kuzushi, footwork, etc. They want to do some elaborate throw in the first class.