I believe strategy was more important in this fight, that and 1,000 kicks a day.
nobones -Posty Magee - I hope you enjoyed your 5 months on top again Karate. Laew, laew laew, laew!
What you guys don't realize are two things:
1) Shogun has natural reach advantage with his legs. He used his skill and timing to control the distance which was usually Machida's forte. It's like two boxers jabbing each other, the one with the longer reach is going to have a natural advantage so it's really up to him to learn how to use that advantage. If Machida fought a MT specialist with shorter legs than him he would have a much easier time with them than he did with Shogun.
2) In the past, most fighters have been trying to take Machida out with their hands. Obviously, his legs are longer so he was always able to control the distance. That's striking 101. There are very few strikers with kicks as good as Machida or Shogun in LHW. Forrest is ok but he gets reckless and usually pays the price.
3) Shogun wasn't trying to go for a KO. Machida was. In exchange for trying to get the KO, Machida sacrificed himself to Shogun's leg and body attack. Machida came close to opening Shogun up in the second and third but couldn't close the deal. Remember, Machida isn't a power hitter. He gets his KOs by technique and precision so if he misses his mark his punches aren't as devastating as say Chuck Liddell's who doesn't even have to land square to hurt you bad. By the 4th Shogun clearly started controlling the fight.
This is by far the SMARTEST post of this thread. Unfortunately this is an internet forum and even with the UG's history, will be swarmed more with irrational idiots than critical thinkers.
Awesome post, still.
Wasa-B - Lol, we knew it was coming.
This was the sharpest Shogun we've ever seen. He won via discipline, coming prepared, strategy and sharpness. Hes been a MT fighter his whole life and never fought as sharp as this.
I believe hearing that shogun lost? Without putting Machida in trouble a single time.
Something's definitely working, not sure if it's MT's aggression though as there was barely any outside of low kicks setting up nothing at all.
"Shogun has natural reach advantage with his legs."
How do you know this? Machida's legs are concealed with longer shorts while Shogun wears the speedo type. Shogun certainly LOOKS longer with his kicking style and those shorts, but the kind of conclusion you're making seems pretty hard to verify.
I like watching it all.
[quote]nobones - Muay Thai is much easier to learn than Karate. At the same time, MT is oriented more for competition. You train stare downs in MT classes but don't train to defend against weapons. Karate you train to defend yourself against weapons like a staff, knife, spear or a sword.[/quote]
AGREED 100 PERCENT.
MUAY THAI DOESN'T EVEN HAVE BELTS!!!
KahL -nobones -Posty Magee - I hope you enjoyed your 5 months on top again Karate. Laew, laew laew, laew!
What you guys don't realize are two things:
1) Shogun has natural reach advantage with his legs. He used his skill and timing to control the distance which was usually Machida's forte. It's like two boxers jabbing each other, the one with the longer reach is going to have a natural advantage so it's really up to him to learn how to use that advantage. If Machida fought a MT specialist with shorter legs than him he would have a much easier time with them than he did with Shogun.
2) In the past, most fighters have been trying to take Machida out with their hands. Obviously, his legs are longer so he was always able to control the distance. That's striking 101. There are very few strikers with kicks as good as Machida or Shogun in LHW. Forrest is ok but he gets reckless and usually pays the price.
3) Shogun wasn't trying to go for a KO. Machida was. In exchange for trying to get the KO, Machida sacrificed himself to Shogun's leg and body attack. Machida came close to opening Shogun up in the second and third but couldn't close the deal. Remember, Machida isn't a power hitter. He gets his KOs by technique and precision so if he misses his mark his punches aren't as devastating as say Chuck Liddell's who doesn't even have to land square to hurt you bad. By the 4th Shogun clearly started controlling the fight.
This is by far the SMARTEST post of this thread. Unfortunately this is an internet forum and even with the UG's history, will be swarmed more with irrational idiots than critical thinkers.
Awesome post, still.
Yes.
Oh and lol at that post.
YOU guys don't realize 2 things:
1st, the poster says that we don't realize 2 things, then lists 3.
2nd, Shogun's leg reach isn't that considerable. It's just that Machida hadn't fought any strong strikers before Shogun. It's the Liddell effect.
3rd, LOL at saying Machida was going for the KO. Yeah, him and this kid:
ttt for the truth
Sam Greco employed the same strategy Shogun did years ago. He just lacked the groundgame to keep Machida from thinking twice about taking him down
Machida has never lost to a Mooey Tie fighter.
Anek - Kyokushin looks more like muay thai than shotokan imo.
The water gets real dark and murky once you start comparing karate guys (with a kyokushin background),who do well in K1,compared to the karate that is mostly practiced at the strip malls.
kyokushin karate guys that fight k1 probably have a closer training regimine to that of a muaythai fighter,as opposed to the training regimines of karate practcioners who train in authentic traditional karate.
"Welcome to the Shogun era!"