My thoughts on tonight..

Underground
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First of all, shut the fuck up.

This shit about the UFC ruining MMA is really getting out of hand. What? You're mad because Shogun lost? You're mad because Chuck lost?

You need to listen. If these guys were as good as you think they are, they wouldn't have lost these fights. They had absolutely no business losing. Personally, I knew Shogun was going to lose. Forrest is a terrible style match up for him. Not to mention, Forrest is a hell of a lot better than you guys seem to give him credit for.

You guys really need to understand, these guys, Jardine, Forrest, Fitch, Griffin, Leben, etc. are the future of the sport. They aren't going anywhere anytime soon. They will continue to win and they will continue to prove all of you wrong...

Shogun is in no way done. The guy is 25 years old. He has a bright bright future ahead of him. But the guy is no unstoppable and he showed that tonight.

And people making arguements its about the rule changes. Listen, just face it that the UFC fighters are right on par and are in a lot of different ways better than the PRIDE fighters. Your warped opinion on if "Pride fighters came over to the UFC, UFC would have nothing but PRIDE champions and they would expose the UFC for the shit fighters they have" is absolute shit and it's being proved now.

Is this because of illegal drug use that isn't tolerated in the US? Maybe. Is this because work fights? Probably not. Is this because the UFC fighters are actually just as good if not better than the Pride fighters? I think we have a winner.

For people saying that Chuck vs. Wandy is now ruined, I wouldn't want to see this Chuck Liddell that got out struck by Keith jardine fight Wandy. Wouldn't be much of a fight.

The logical step now I'd think is, Shogun vs. Chuck, Jardine vs. Wandy. Forrest vs. Rampage. and I think we have some very interesting fights.

Basically what I'm trying to say is, shut the fuck up, sit back, watch the fucking fights, enjoy them, and stop making piss poor excuses for Pride fighters. These guys have been pushed down everyone's throats as the best fighters in the world and ya know what? It's not turning out that way now is it.

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Another thing, give these TUF guys their respect. Keith Jardine and Forrest Griffin knocked off 2 Top 5 fighters tonight. Give them their fucking props. I know I won some money on Forrest tonight so...

Great job Forrest!

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The TUF hate is getting a little old.

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Is this because the UFC fighters are actually just as good if not better than the Pride fighters? I think we have a winner

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Forget that...

You have to give Jardine back to Houston Alexander...

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Also, its a little late, I'm a little drunk, sorry if its a big rambling blob. Thing is though, its completely true.

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Chuck got fucked, idiot......He didn't "lose" like Shogun. Different fucking scenerio.

Ban this douche bag.

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Great post and I agree on all three match ups!

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brigham=correct, as usual!

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Ban Team Pride

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I totally agree with you Brigham.....It would be interesting to see Wandy fight Forrest. We cant forget that Rampage is 0 and 2 vs. Wandy either...

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"I totally agree with you Brigham.....It would be interesting to see Wandy fight Forrest. We cant forget that Rampage is 0 and 2 vs. Wandy either... "

I like that fight as well yet, I think if Shogun was actually #1 in the world and was going to get a title shot if he beat Forrest which is what Dana said would happen, Forrest should get the same opportunity to fight for the title if he beat Shogun, don't you think?

My opinion is, you have Rampage fight Forrest/Jardine fight Wandy. Winner of Wandy and Jardine fights the winner of Forrest and Rampage.

Shogun is coming off a loss, Liddell is coming off back to back losses, why not let these 2 go at it to see who can get on the winning path again? Also, great sytlistic match up.

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After reading the first post I was going to ask if you ha d been drinking.I know drunk talk when I read it.10+ for effort.

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"After reading the first post I was going to ask if you ha d been drinking.I know drunk talk when I read it.10+ for effort. "

Like I said, not the most articulate post, but effective.

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Seriously how can you say Chuck got fucked....I just wasn't his night and he got out fought plan and simple. Jardine fought a good fight...Team pride I think you were watching a different fight bro....sorry but your wrong. And again I think your right on with that fight selection Brigham.

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"Seriously how can you say Chuck got fucked....I just wasn't his night and he got out fought plan and simple. Jardine fought a good fight...Team pride I think you were watching a different fight bro....sorry but your wrong "

He's a troll, don't buy into his shit. Anyone that was actually watching the fight saw that Jardine won that fight. The fact that fight came to a split decision with one of the judges going for Liddell is beyond me and that guys needs to be fired.

The judging in the UFC is another thing that needs to be looked at. The commissions seriously need to sit down with the UFC and other fight promotions and come up with a different scoring system and a way to train the judges on the scoring.

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Fighting in an arena with a bunch of hostile drunken screaming american men must lead to a completely different vibe than 90,000 respectful Japanese fans.

On top of that, all of the PRIDE fighters are coming from where they felt comfortable and appreciated into a new atmosphere where they don't even know if they're respected or not.

America's national image in the political realm doesn't exactly help, either. Also consider that with the loss of PRIDE many of them have probably gone through some emotional turmoil knowing that their career is in jeopardy, the transition and changes in training habits, all of that has to be take into account.

If Forrest came to Japan for the first time to fight Shogun, where he may have felt out of place, it could have easily been different.

And, Shogun could have easily won via TKO cut stoppage.

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amen

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American fighters=better conditioning.

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LMAO @ DallasVanWinkle. I've seen a lot of excuses tonight but yours was by far the worst.