vagabond - Lol could you imagine if this happened in a real sport...
You mean if a team would refuse to play? Yeah I could see them being removed from official standings.
Athletes making 10-15% of the revenue, take it or leave it contract negotiations, hand picked contenders based on how much money the owners stand to make, no job security. Employer airing dirty laundry in public.
Yeah I could see a guy not wanting to take a fight.
Nate just signed a new contract before his last fight. He wasn't forced to do so.
vagabond - Lol could you imagine if this happened in a real sport...
You mean if a team would refuse to play? Yeah I could see them being removed from official standings.
Athletes making 10-15% of the revenue, take it or leave it contract negotiations, hand picked contenders based on how much money the owners stand to make, no job security. Employer airing dirty laundry in public.
Yeah I could see a guy not wanting to take a fight.
I think your 15% is generous. IMO it is more than likely around 6-8% of revenue.
Lol it is what it is Nate will be ranked if he fights again.... everyone relax the rankings help my non MMA fan friends out whenever there's a fight, great tool to educate casuals
orcus - If he is currently refusing to fight in the UFC, why would he be ranked in the UFC?
"He fought 7 months ago. That's not enough inactivity to be released from ranking regardless of the reason"
He is not inactive because he is injured or anything, he is inactive because he is refusing to compete. There is no reason to assume he will suddenly decide to compete again; if he does, he will no doubt be returned to the rankings.
Has Nate Diaz officially retired? No he hasn't. He's not refusing to compete friend. He's trying to get a better contract. This shit happens but no legitimate ranking system would unrank a fighter who isn't retired and hasn't fought in 7 months.
vagabond - Lol could you imagine if this happened in a real sport...
You mean if a team would refuse to play? Yeah I could see them being removed from official standings.
Athletes making 10-15% of the revenue, take it or leave it contract negotiations, hand picked contenders based on how much money the owners stand to make, no job security. Employer airing dirty laundry in public.
Yeah I could see a guy not wanting to take a fight.
I think your 15% is generous. IMO it is more than likely around 6-8% of revenue.
I always overestimate when talking about the ufc revenue split. That way it gives room for the magical backroom bonuses.
orcus - If he is currently refusing to fight in the UFC, why would he be ranked in the UFC?
"He fought 7 months ago. That's not enough inactivity to be released from ranking regardless of the reason"
He is not inactive because he is injured or anything, he is inactive because he is refusing to compete. There is no reason to assume he will suddenly decide to compete again; if he does, he will no doubt be returned to the rankings.
Has Nate Diaz officially retired? No he hasn't. He's not refusing to compete friend. He's trying to get a better contract. This shit happens but no legitimate ranking system would unrank a fighter who isn't retired and hasn't fought in 7 months.
Well he is refusing to fight till he gets a new contract. He's turned down many fights. I don't see how you can say he isn't refusing fights.
orcus - If he is currently refusing to fight in the UFC, why would he be ranked in the UFC?
"He fought 7 months ago. That's not enough inactivity to be released from ranking regardless of the reason"
He is not inactive because he is injured or anything, he is inactive because he is refusing to compete. There is no reason to assume he will suddenly decide to compete again; if he does, he will no doubt be returned to the rankings.
Has Nate Diaz officially retired? No he hasn't. He's not refusing to compete friend. He's trying to get a better contract. This shit happens but no legitimate ranking system would unrank a fighter who isn't retired and hasn't fought in 7 months.
Just saying, but he's trying to get a new contract BY refusing to compete.
The point being, he's still refusing to compete, in which case, I don't think it's outlandish to remove him. If he's not going to fight in the future, what's the point of having him in there taking up space? When he is ready to fight you plug him right back in.
vagabond - Lol could you imagine if this happened in a real sport...
You mean if a team would refuse to play? Yeah I could see them being removed from official standings.
Athletes making 10-15% of the revenue, take it or leave it contract negotiations, hand picked contenders based on how much money the owners stand to make, no job security. Employer airing dirty laundry in public.
Yeah I could see a guy not wanting to take a fight.
What does that have to do with anything? Lol. You suggested it wouldn't happen in a "real" sport when it probably would. It was a stupid thing to say, no sport would tolerate refusing to perform.
I was pointing out that a real sport wouldn't be in this type of situation to begin with.
Reguardless of nates contract issues, the ufc telling the media that nate is off the rankings is absolute bush league nonsense.
Why not have dana just make them up as he pleases?
orcus - If he is currently refusing to fight in the UFC, why would he be ranked in the UFC?
"He fought 7 months ago. That's not enough inactivity to be released from ranking regardless of the reason"
He is not inactive because he is injured or anything, he is inactive because he is refusing to compete. There is no reason to assume he will suddenly decide to compete again; if he does, he will no doubt be returned to the rankings.
Has Nate Diaz officially retired? No he hasn't. He's not refusing to compete friend. He's trying to get a better contract. This shit happens but no legitimate ranking system would unrank a fighter who isn't retired and hasn't fought in 7 months.
Just saying, but he's trying to get a new contract BY refusing to compete.
The point being, he's still refusing to compete, in which case, I don't think it's outlandish to remove him. If he's not going to fight in the future, what's the point of having him in there taking up space? When he is ready to fight you plug him right back in.
Yet UFC won't release him from his contract. This is laughable at best. If they're willing to remove him from the rankings why not remove him from his contract then? If you can't see that this is shady shit I don't know what to tell you.
orcus - If he is currently refusing to fight in the UFC, why would he be ranked in the UFC?
"He fought 7 months ago. That's not enough inactivity to be released from ranking regardless of the reason"
He is not inactive because he is injured or anything, he is inactive because he is refusing to compete. There is no reason to assume he will suddenly decide to compete again; if he does, he will no doubt be returned to the rankings.
Has Nate Diaz officially retired? No he hasn't. He's not refusing to compete friend. He's trying to get a better contract. This shit happens but no legitimate ranking system would unrank a fighter who isn't retired and hasn't fought in 7 months.
Just saying, but he's trying to get a new contract BY refusing to compete.
The point being, he's still refusing to compete, in which case, I don't think it's outlandish to remove him. If he's not going to fight in the future, what's the point of having him in there taking up space? When he is ready to fight you plug him right back in.
Yet UFC won't release him from his contract. This is laughable at best. If they're willing to remove him from the rankings why not remove him from his contract then? If you can't see that this is shady shit I don't know what to tell you.
What would be the point of a contract if you can just get out of it anytime you want by turning down fights.
vagabond - Lol could you imagine if this happened in a real sport...
You mean if a team would refuse to play? Yeah I could see them being removed from official standings.
Athletes making 10-15% of the revenue, take it or leave it contract negotiations, hand picked contenders based on how much money the owners stand to make, no job security. Employer airing dirty laundry in public.
Yeah I could see a guy not wanting to take a fight.
What does that have to do with anything? Lol. You suggested it wouldn't happen in a "real" sport when it probably would. It was a stupid thing to say, no sport would tolerate refusing to perform.
I was pointing out that a real sport wouldn't be in this type of situation to begin with.
Reguardless of nates contract issues, the ufc telling the media that nate is off the rankings is absolute bush league nonsense.
Why not have dana just make them up as he pleases?
I misunderstood then, sorry. The other sports don't have rankings because they're all based on seasonal standings. I still don't see how bush league this is considering other sports would have come down much harder on an athlete for refusing to perform. They'd probably issue fines and other punishments. Removing an inactive fighter from media voted rankings doesn't seem like that big a deal. The NBA will fine a player for wearing their headband up side down.
I would be alright with some sort of fine system but manipulating the rankings reaks of illegitimacy.
This is the same organization that tries to erase legends from the history books when they dont agree on terms.
vagabond - Lol could you imagine if this happened in a real sport...
You mean if a team would refuse to play? Yeah I could see them being removed from official standings.
Athletes making 10-15% of the revenue, take it or leave it contract negotiations, hand picked contenders based on how much money the owners stand to make, no job security. Employer airing dirty laundry in public.
Yeah I could see a guy not wanting to take a fight.
What does that have to do with anything? Lol. You suggested it wouldn't happen in a "real" sport when it probably would. It was a stupid thing to say, no sport would tolerate refusing to perform.
I was pointing out that a real sport wouldn't be in this type of situation to begin with.
Reguardless of nates contract issues, the ufc telling the media that nate is off the rankings is absolute bush league nonsense.
Why not have dana just make them up as he pleases?
I misunderstood then, sorry. The other sports don't have rankings because they're all based on seasonal standings. I still don't see how bush league this is considering other sports would have come down much harder on an athlete for refusing to perform. They'd probably issue fines and other punishments. Removing an inactive fighter from media voted rankings doesn't seem like that big a deal. The NBA will fine a player for wearing their headband up side down.
I would be alright with some sort of fine system but manipulating the rankings reaks of illegitimacy.
This is the same organization that tries to erase legends from the history books when they dont agree on terms.
How is it manipulating? Why should a fighter be ranked if he is refusing to fight?For all zuffa knows nate will never fight again.
vagabond - Now maybe you want to say, well cruz is just injured, not refusing to fight.
Well tj grant is injured to.... yet he was removed from the rankings.
No matter how you look at it, its just more bully tactics from zuffa to put pressure on a figher so they get what they want.
Are you suggesting that they're trying to bully tj grant? If not this seems to more support the idea that removing fighters from the rankings has nothing to do with bullying.
I don't know what it means. It just shows inconsistancy in how they decide who is in the rankings.
