New- Evolution Ground

This is the official thread for all you people living and dying over monkeys and amoeba's. Use this thread to hijack yourselves.

Do you really believe that evolution is the problem with our children in schools ? Do they cause school shootings, cause people to steal, rape or do evil deeds ? Do you think that people who are bad people are basing their actions off of a few chapters in a book about amoeba's and primates ? Most criminals and school derelicts cant even read much less study anything and make philosophical/moral decisions especially in high school. The real problem with our children are the lack of a stable family life.

I deal with bad kids all day everyday and the single most common denominator in their life that causes them to act out is a piss poor smattering of single mom/dads and mommy screwing about 10 guys a month in her bedroom right next door to their kids.

Oh, I recently spent a week with a kid who was institutionalized. Considered psychotic and suicidal. Guess what, he lives with his two 'aunts'. One has a crew cut and a tatto on her forearm and is named dorothy. Im sure evolution played into his future of delinquency and possible suicide. We are fighting the wrong battles in our society.

whatever you crazy hairless monkey

I have no problem with believing human beings are animals with the same aggressive and sexual instincts as animals.

Exactly zealot, conclusions about where we came from are not relevant to questions of how we should behave.

well you overlook 2 facts that make it impossible for Religious people to accept this.

  1. if we are apes then ourt religions are wqritten by apes.

  2. we might have to stop being so damn arrogant about being human

what's wrong with apes?

"The real problem with our children are the lack of a stable family life."

Ya man.

z: Do you really believe that evolution is the problem with our children in schools ?

me: yes...

you: Do they cause school shootings, cause people to steal, rape or do evil deeds ?

me: the world view that there is no God, that we are just animals, that there is no context or purpose to our life...all implicit in social evolution and naturalism...ABSOLUTELY!

you: Do you think that people who are bad people are basing their actions off of a few chapters in a book about amoeba's and primates ? Most criminals and school derelicts cant even read much less study anything and make philosophical/moral decisions especially in high school. The real problem with our children are the lack of a stable family life.

me: it's a culture that has bought into the belief that we are a result of random chance, that we are animals struggling for survivial of the fittest, that hedonism is a natural extension of no God (I certainly would not shoot someone over their shoes because I know God is real and watching over me).

It impacts both the familial structure (which is consistently and constantly under attack as other 'family arrangements' are considered 'natural' family structures, 'modeled' in the wild by our 'cousins'.)

you: I deal with bad kids all day everyday and the single most common denominator in their life that causes them to act out is a piss poor smattering of single mom/dads and mommy screwing about 10 guys a month in her bedroom right next door to their kids.

me: right, because they have no moral compass. They do not believe in God and they are pleasure seekers...they act like what they are told they are ANIMALS.

you: Oh, I recently spent a week with a kid who was institutionalized. Considered psychotic and suicidal. Guess what, he lives with his two 'aunts'. One has a crew cut and a tatto on her forearm and is named dorothy. Im sure evolution played into his future of delinquency and possible suicide. We are fighting the wrong battles in our society.

me: absolutely not. Homosexuality is considered another social arrangement that actually has been used by evolutionist as an argument for evolution!!!

Someone was arguing just such a thing on this little old forum. This is a glue that binds and permeates our culture...no God, science is gospel, the bible is flawed and antiquated, survival of the strongest etc.

This is a primary front in the battle. We are made in God's image. We have inherent value not as some luck of the universe, but made by God, wonderfully and curiously knit together in the womb, with a context to our life found in the scriptures.

It matters so much that evolutionist fear any challenge to the 2 chapters in school...

Rooster, you have no idea how agnostics and atheists actually think. This may be how you thought and acted before your conversion, but it certainly isn't how I think and act. You are attacking your old self, not people who have thought about the issue and decide against god (or cannot decide).

Regarding context and purpose in your life, why can't you make this for yourself? Why can't you be good for yourself and the other humans on earth? Why must it be for god?

"Regarding context and purpose in your life, why can't you make this for yourself? Why can't you be good for yourself and the other humans on earth? Why must it be for god?
"

because for some reason the omnipotent creator of the universe has only one plan with all this and its to get us to worship him, exclusivley of course.

I guess he is a bit of an underacheiver

The thing is most atheists can acknowledge that religion can be a happy and purposeful way for people to live. It works sometimes and for some people. However the atheist/agnostic gets painted as some kind of crazed murdering rapist because he doesn't have an opinion on possibly imaginary Gods, even though he may be living his life in a loving, good and purposeful way. Strange..

well IMHO there are 3 camps in this
Fundies, atheists and agnostics.

Fundies hate agnostics the most because we don't adhere to theological claptrap but also refuse to join the atheists on their island vacation hotel of porn and abortions and fornication. (i only visit that hotel a few times a year )

Atheists hate us because we exhibit much of the irrationality of religion but without scriptural adherence we are almost impossible to pin down in and argument. I mean when you can't even agree on what the word God means how can you get beat up by an atheist in a religious debate.

Thats why back in the good old days it was the agnostics and heretics who got the harsh treatment not the atheists.

These days unfortunatly atheism is mired in a swamp of christian theology and has lost its ability to see religion outside of its cultural aspect. But its still an excellent method for identifying silliness in religoon.

here here

I honestly do not care how we got here. why are you people so obsessed with the past. I'm concerned where we are heading.



if there aint two of you in the car...get in the right lane...the rest of us wanna pass!

Bludhall 

---"I honestly do not care how we got here. why are you people so obsessed with the past. I'm concerned where we are heading."

From a moral perspective, I tend to agree with you about this Sherm.

Prof.

Rooster,
That's crazy talk.
I can think for myself - I don't need to believe in God to know that my actions will have consequences or to know the difference between right and wrong.

How do you explain that a country like Japan which has no connection to the Christian-Judean-Islamic God has such a low crime rate, yet America - a Christian country - has a far higher crime rate? Your statements are not supported by evidence.

That is an interesting point.

chance: Rooster, you have no idea how agnostics and atheists actually think. This may be how you thought and acted before your conversion, but it certainly isn't how I think and act.

me: are you telling me that Cho was a moralist? That Cho was a man of God, a man of the bible, a man concerned with faith? Or do you think that hostility he had towards people, religion, capitalism etc. more closely align themselves with the amoral culture now permeating our society.

you: You are attacking your old self, not people who have thought about the issue and decide against god (or cannot decide).

me: maybe so, but I sure knew a lot of people and still do that were like me.

you: Regarding context and purpose in your life, why can't you make this for yourself? Why can't you be good for yourself and the other humans on earth? Why must it be for god?

me: what is good with out an ultimate benchmark for good? You have no standard for good w/out God. Doing something that "feels nice" or makes people happy may be the right thing, or maybe it's not.

i can bet you this, that evil kid that shot up that school, he wasn't a believe (cuz you know if he was it would be plastered all over the news). he was a non believer, one who did not value life, one who did not believe in eternal judgement or a God watching over him, or a God that loved Him and died for Him.

Whose views do you think more closely aligned with his?