gusto - gotta make guys like that tap from pressure
The mat pimp speaks the truth 
The Mat Pimp - Helio Gracie's definition of a blue belt was someone who can defend themselves from a larger, stronger person's attack. Brand new guys who go crazy are IDEAL training partners for an experienced student of jiujitsu because they will do unpredictable, nutty things that don't make sense from the perspective of a trained guy. That's what makes them great. If you can't defend yourself from untrained madness, you shouldn't have any color on your belt.
Exactly.
Training with the new spaz does get old,
but its kind of fun IMO.
The Mat Pimp - Helio Gracie's definition of a blue belt was someone who can defend themselves from a larger, stronger person's attack. Brand new guys who go crazy are IDEAL training partners for an experienced student of jiujitsu because they will do unpredictable, nutty things that don't make sense from the perspective of a trained guy. That's what makes them great. If you can't defend yourself from untrained madness, you shouldn't have any color on your belt.
this is true, but helio never preached being able to defend yourself without causing harm to the other person. sure any blue should be able to defend against a larger stronger unskilled person, but with these spazzes you are not only defending yourself you are also trying not to harm him, which with some people is a lot tougher than it sounds. sometimes your skill needs to be a bit higher than blue to fully defend and work a spaz without hurting them.
<blockquote>Judo Scott - - Explain the rules.. no leg locks.. slams.. etc..<br />- He tells me his krav maga exp and tang soo do... I say cool<br />- I tell him I wont be doing any submissions first time out...<br />- He gets frustrated after awhile and tells me how he'd elbow my face and break my thumbs. <br />- Next round I ask him if he's ready to try it with me doing subs he says sure<br />- I sub him over and over..<br />- Last minute he tries a straight ankle lock.<br />- I defend look at him tell him thats not allowed like I said.. he says I know I just a saw it.. and so you know what, its ok go ahead and put a straight ankle lock on him and crank that shit until he yelped.<br /><br />Fuck you new guy<br /><br />Maybe I'm a dick. I don't care.</blockquote><br />let go of the ego and stop the talk. Show him the path through your actions. check your ego.
what are you trying to prove to this guy? just let him know that eye gouges are illegal and it isnt a what if senario. No need to argue with him or treat him rough. stick to the rules and soon he will learn to shut his trap and he will be on his way to learning. Or will never return.
as a black belt on the mat, i think it is my obligation to roll with the new guy for two reasons:
1. the less awareness you have, the more likely you are to get hurt. i would not put a white or new blue with a new person until i trusted both people. i would not want a student get hurt because of some spaz.
2. i am usually smaller than most of my partners so it is an effective demonstration of bjj to do nothing but play guard without using hands or just sweep the person over and over and then crush them and remind them i only weigh 149.
with the smaller new people, i am pretty nice and just play guard, no real crushing needed.
Larfox -joshjitsu - Why are ankle locks not allowed? Aren't you guys just training?
Do you think it is wise for someone who just started to mess with attacking someone's ankle or knee?
HELLO INJURY.
I'm not concerned with a injury from a ankle lock attempt, and I fail to see how an ankle lock will effect my knee.
joshjitsu -Larfox -joshjitsu - Why are ankle locks not allowed? Aren't you guys just training?
Do you think it is wise for someone who just started to mess with attacking someone's ankle or knee?
HELLO INJURY.
I'm not concerned with a injury from a ankle lock attempt, and I fail to see how an ankle lock will effect my knee.
maybe you just never have had anyone slap a good ankle lock on you. also if a new guy is allowed to ankle lock, he will heel hook the next class.
Not just that, but do you really trust the new guy to do a straight ankle lock, or know the difference between that or any other sub from down there? A new spaz will crank any which way to try and beat you.
joshjitsu -Larfox -joshjitsu - Why are ankle locks not allowed? Aren't you guys just training?
Do you think it is wise for someone who just started to mess with attacking someone's ankle or knee?
HELLO INJURY.
I'm not concerned with a injury from a ankle lock attempt, and I fail to see how an ankle lock will effect my knee.
Because people that don't know what they're doing will twist and turn every which way and have little regard for anyone's safety if they have the chance to "beat" you.
joshjitsu - Why are ankle locks not allowed? Aren't you guys just training?
At our school we never do that with day one guys and usually its just for guys near blue belt and above.
I love the big fat spazzers.
Shoulder pressure on face, knee on neck, knee on belly, side control crush usually fix whatever strange ideas they might have.
I'll be the "new guy" next week. Good to know.
fucking new guy
This whole scenario is more about how a new guy is handled coming into the gym. It really sounds like he wasn't ready for sparring yet. Was this his first day? Coming to a gym is so stressful for people for the first time they cling to any thing they know to avoid looking stupid.
I've been so happy taking my new people and putting them into a 9 week self defense/basic bjj class w/ no sparring. All these stupid little hang ups get addressed there and the people learn that you aren't just there to make them look stupid, and that ultimately, you want them to train safely. They will get there asses kicked eventually, but they will be a little more prepared for it, and understand wtf is going on.
They don't let you spar the first day at a boxing gym, but you usually can at a bjj gym. What's the rush? Ultimately, I've found it drives people away and hurts gym retention in the long run.
If was the gym owner I would want to keep OP away from all new potential students so I could stay in business.
new students are closely monitored where i train.
there is usually a brown belt and purple or two browns that will take the newbies aside and teach them how not to get killed.
there's no point in throwing them into the frenzy. teach them enough so that they don't get completely overwhelmed and smashed.
what's the point of letting a new guy roll w/ long time white belts or blue belts the first few days? it will maybe serve the blue belt's ego?
roll w/ the browns, a few purples that are cool or the black belt so that they can basically take the roll where they wwant it to go and let the new guy try out what he just learned.
i'm one of the browns and if i saw a color belt putting it on a completely new guy, i will make it a point to fuck that blue/purple belt's life on the mat later on.
I've got a new white that seems to want to measure himself to me when we roll. I was nice the first time, but in true fashion, he went spaz on me. Second time I crushed him with side, shoulder of justice, etc. Then told him I go as hard as you do.
I give him mount so he can get used to it, but roll him off. On Saturday it seems he asked another white belt what to do, and called me out on the mats. So another white belt, who 2 months ago, didn't know how to apply an Americana is now coaching this brand new noob. So, he gets swept and crushed again, this time with a standard Americana, and then another Americana from Kesa Gatame.
I had this kid the first day when I was asked to show him stuff. I showed him how to hip escape, upa, pass guard, basics. I seriously don't think he's done any of it since then going for the glory of subbing a blue. A BB friend of mine told me before that it's my job to crush the Spaz's before they get hurt or even more important, hurt someone because they think that's the way to train/roll/spar. I see his point.
JRockwell - Elbow his face and break his thumbs...from mount. ;) Man, I love it when the "streetfighter/self defense" guys just assume that in a real altercation, no BJJ guy would ever think to gouge eyes, bite, strike the groin, use pressure points, etc...from deliberate positional dominance. Lucky for them we're all just morons who only know how to pull guard and flail around grasping for Gi handles. <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
I do love those comments as well. Apparently many think that in a self-defense situation a BJJ guy will only grapple. I was once asked whether I would want to armbar or triangle from guard in street fight. I told them I prefer to mount an opponent and then pick an opponents teeth out of my fist later.
I did have a new guy, in his first class, tell me that an armbar would not avoid a groin strike. I told him that an armbar is not the first line of self-defense in the guard and that the only reason he was learning it was because it was the basics class that was the prearranged move for the class. He then told me that while armbarring someone (he learned how on youtube) he was struck in the groin and I didn't know what I was talking about. You just can't win these conversations.
Back in the day when I was training full time and only weighing 145 I rolled with numerous spaz's. Of course they always want to roll with the small guy. Some of my favorite things to do to them were a scissor sweep and good old fashion knee on the belly. Those two moves alone would frustrate so many people. Also had the pleasure of rolling with a guy that was supposed to be an air marshal or something that would always go crazy. He never talked much crap though, he just would go balls to the wall and try to jam his fist in my throat. And honestly the dude was not necessarily disrespctful like saying what he could do because I think he knew better. But he definetly would attack you as soon as you slapped hands.
Judo Scott -joshjitsu - Why are ankle locks not allowed? Aren't you guys just training?
At our school we never do that with day one guys and usually its just for guys near blue belt and above.
I always thought it was for two (good) reasons
1. safety (though i agree straight ankle is ok for the most part)
2. avoid developing the habit of attacking legs rather than learning to pass the guard