Join Tim live from the 2012 Metamoris Pro event. You'll hear questions from the post fight press conference and one on one interviews with Eddie Bravo, Ryron Gracie, and Jeff Glover.
http://www.insidebjj.com/2012/10/15/46-metamoris-pro-live/
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completely agree!!! The overall event was very entertaining. I would like to see more because they were enjoyable to watch...but in no way did this take us closer to the self defense martial art.
I think what many people are most annoyed with about the "sport" ibjjf matches are the newest "fad" guards, sweeps, etc. that have no place in self defense. This format did nothing to remedy that.
Also, we would like to see bjj matches end via submission rather than points. However, I have a renewed appreciation for the point system. It is not perfect, esp when matches end with adv or judges decision, but I agree with it in principle. Perhaps modification will improve it, such as no ties allowed. All matches go into sudden death OT and next points win or something.
And yes. All rulesets can be exploited and will be further exploited as competitors adapt their strategies... Who knows, in sub only, maybe more people will stall for 15mins. Maybe both competitors will lie down on their sides and shell up..then what?
Interesting feedback. I can see your point (no pun). Any sportive type event will never be a true reflection of self defense because self defense really is anything goes. Not even MMA accurately depicts it. Look at how many MMA fights are boring because the fighters are exploiting the scoring system to win.
However, sub only is exciting. More exciting than points in my opinion. 
I think Ryrons idea is that he can defend himself even in bad positions like side control and mount so it doesn't matter If you get him there.
At the press conference he said Jon Jones couldn't finish him from side control.
His words not mine.
I think sub only is great for superfights. But isn't the real issue how to implement sub-only in a tournament structure (i.e., in situations where a definitive winner is needed)?
kipling200 - I think sub only is great for superfights. But isn't the real issue how to implement sub-only in a tournament structure (i.e., in situations where a definitive winner is needed)?
I think it depends upon what you feel "definitive winner" means.
I think the following changes to ibbjf would be good in either all matches or finals or something:
- no ending in tie...sudden death OT (could do next points in nonfinals, but sub only OT in finals?...or whatever, experiment with something like this)
- no ending, if you are up on points but currently threatened by a sub. You need to escape
(ala Werdum vs. Magalhaes). Winning when you're arm is popping doesn't sit right with me.
I don't see why it has to be one or the other. I like IBJJF for certain reasons, but I like this sub only rule set for other reasons.
This format, was a lot more exciting to me than watching someone win by advantages after stalling for most of the match. Doesn't mean I don't like points or compete in points tournies, but this of match was awesome to watch.
CJJScout - I don't see why it has to be one or the other. I like IBJJF for certain reasons, but I like this sub only rule set for other reasons.
This format, was a lot more exciting to me than watching someone win by advantages after stalling for most of the match. Doesn't mean I don't like points or compete in points tournies, but this of match was awesome to watch.
First....congrats on the BB.
Yes. I agree. I do like them both and don't think that one needs to replace the other. I'd still like to see modications in ibjjf that I suggested. I would also like to see metamoris in no time limit..Nobody likes to watch stalling. It's a valid tactic provided that you are looking to eventually capitalize and I don't think sub only or ibbjf point system totally addresses it and should it if it is a valid strategy for success? This metamoris was very entertaining. I wonder if future strategies will keep it as exciting.
I enjoyed Ryron's outlook on the match. Not everyone gets it(and that's okay) but he's got the right idea.
That said, now that Ryron's put his philosophy in practice, against someone of Galvao's caliber, if he competes again I'd like to see him go head to head, 100% competing to win, just to see how he does.
"What is wrong with you? So BJJ self defense is about grappling without strikes for submissions???
IT IS ABOUT SELF DEFENSE! You know, when people are trying to PUNCH, KICK, HEAD BUTT, ELBOW, KNEE, ETC! How in the world did the evening show that points don't mean anything if the positions that points are awarded for weren't allowed to be executed to its fullest extent?
Points are given for side control to symbolize the elbows and knees to the head that can be thrown from that position in a FIGHT. Mount is given MORE points because even MORE damage can be done in a real fight... taking the back with hooks is HUGE because in a real fight, you can drop ELBOWS TO THE BACK OF THE SKULL.
THAT is why points are given for certain positions - and the more dangerous the position for a fight, the more points that are rewarded for securing it.
I haven't seen the match but nothing annoys me more than people that suck at jiujitsu trying to justify their inability to keep guard or stay on top and write it off as, "yeah, but I'm practicing self defense, sure I got mounted twenty times, but did he tap me? NOPE!!! That's because I practice self defense!"
God forbid you actually ever do get mounted in a real street fight, then you would appreciate the whole point system.
Is the point system a perfect way to train for violence? No. People abuse the loop holes and lose the spirit of what it is about. Is the point system a much better way to prepare for combat than no points? 100% most definitely. I'm not impressed with someone getting mounted twenty times, doing nothing for 20 minutes, and then pulling off an armbar victory at the very end. That would NOT fly on the street. But that sort of victory would impress a lot of "self defense" practitioners... probably because they have never been in a fight and cannot appreciate the mega importance of advanced positioning.
The ONLY thing "submission only" events prove is who is better at executing submissions... not who is a better fighter or who is more capable of defending themselves in a real combat scenario. It would be like doing a free throw contest to determine who is the best basketball player... free throws are only a part of basketball. Submissions are only a part of self defense."
That is a great post!