Noahide Laws

well anyone i guess

what does that mean to you?


To me it means that perhaps we are meant to be vegetarians.

but more study would be neccassary,as it may only been needed,back before

there were advance ways of fixing and preparing meat.

Many laws and teachings that can be found in history,were needed at that time,

because they were not as intelligent about such things as food poisening(sp?)

or personal hygiene.

Hope that helps.

actually if you look at the Eastern teachings on this subject that essentially say the same thing, its not really about hygene at all its about the central core component of the new religions that come into being over a roughly 1000 year period of history. That core is compassion.

Compassion is a recognition of Karma, that means the recognition that all action creates effects, cause and effect down to a microscopic level.
By abstaining from meat they say no to unnecessary suffering of any living creature for our pleasure. We refuse to accept the karmic interaction of accepting suffering.

much like the desensitization to violence and pornography man to reach spiritual heights of understanding must raise himself above the level of the animal kingdom by making the choice that is Sacred, not because some God or another may say so but because we as humans have the choice. That choice makes it sacred as no other beings have this choice.
As a choice its part of our karmic interaction, just like if we do bad things it comes back to us etc.
When we have a choice we have a choiceto choose a low or high path.

Spirituality is about raising ourselves in mind , body and spirit above the material world. We cannot do this by becoming porn stars or drunkards, the point of examining ones action in how they relate to all living beings is step towards the ultimate realization that we are ONE with all beings around us.

In fact that is what the word God means to them in the East, its not a person but the sum total of all things. So to do harm to another is to do harm to yourself or to god.

There is a long history of this outlook in the west as well, Pythagoras and his followers were very much for a vegetarian lifestyle for compassionate reasons.
Now when we see religions all over the world pushing for similar goals we have to wonder why, why is compassion so important to so many?

Well think about it, wherein lies the true evil of mankind? is it in devils and magic or is it in mans lustful and greedy heart. As the Gospel of Thomas says, "the kingdom of god is layed out upon the earth and men do not see it"

The evils of mankind can be cured with one word, compassion, if men trule sought compassion in all they did most of mankinds horrible problems would melt away.

Just a thought. :)

i do know that i did not beleive in vegetarianism until i had spent a good chunk of time away from it, much like a drug when you are not constantly under its influence you start to see it more clearly.

General indications of early Israelite religion indicate that the diet should have consisted primarily of fruits, vegetables, grains, legumes, roots and other non-animal organic matter (damn, I'm studing too much and making things too scientific). Sheep and cow were reserved for special occaisions but were always a part of the diet.


^ and always it seemed no pig,pork was a no no,from my understanding.


the laws of Kashrut came later and pig was always mentioned as a treif animal. I can get the laws if you want to review them.

Please do,i look forward to reading and studying them.

To examine the marks in cattle (so as to distinguish the clean from the unclean) (Lev. 11:2)

Not to eat the flesh of unclean beasts (Lev. 11:4)

To examine the marks in fishes (so as to distinguish the clean from the unclean (Lev. 11:9)

Not to eat unclean fish (Lev. 11:11).

To examine the marks in fowl, so as to distinguish the clean from the unclean (Deut. 14:11)

Not to eat unclean fowl (Lev. 11:13)

To examine the marks in locusts, so as to distinguish the clean from the unclean (Lev. 11:21)

Not to eat a worm found in fruit (Lev. 11:41)

Not to eat of things that creep upon the earth (Lev. 11:41-42)

Not to eat any vermin of the earth (Lev. 11:44)

Not to eat things that swarm in the water (Lev. 11:43 and 46)

Not to eat of winged insects (Deut. 14:19)

Not to eat the flesh of a beast that is terefah (lit torn) (Ex. 22:30)

Not to eat the flesh of a beast that died of itself (Deut. 14:21)

To slay cattle, deer and fowl according to the laws of shechitah if their flesh is to be eaten (Deut. 12:21) ("as I have commanded" in this verse refers to the technique)

Not to eat a limb removed from a living beast (Deut. 12:23)

Not to slaughter an animal and its young on the same day (Lev. 22:28)

Not to take the mother-bird with the young (Deut. 22:6)

To set the mother-bird free when taking the nest (Deut. 22:6-7)

Not to eat the flesh of an ox that was condemned to be stoned (Ex. 21:28)

Not to boil meat with milk (Ex. 23:19)

Not to eat flesh with milk (Ex. 34:26) (according to the Talmud, this passage is a distinct prohibition from the one in Ex. 23:19)

Not to eat the of the thigh-vein which shrank (Gen. 32:33)

Not to eat chelev (tallow-fat) (Lev. 7:23)

Not to eat blood (Lev. 7:26)

To cover the blood of undomesticated animals (deer, etc.) and of fowl that have been killed (Lev. 17:13)

Not to eat or drink like a glutton or a drunkard (not to rebel against father or mother) (Lev. 19:26; Deut. 21:20)

I was extremely interested the Noahide laws several years ago, as I felt particularly drawn to the Jewish faith but was born a Gentile. I was reluctant to convert to Judaism because I knew, not being born Jewish, I'd always feel like an outsider.

From what I understand there are small groups of Gentiles that follow the Noahide laws and congregate in some Orthodox temples... I never did check it out, though.

I'm Christian now, and happily so, but I like to think my study of Judaism and the Noahide laws contributed to my spiritual development and continues to do so.

i'm sure the pigs were greateful for the break :)

Well, at the time I was vegan, so...

i'm sure the pigs were greateful for the break :)


According to Sefer Noa? and the Book of Jubilees (considered deuterocanonical in Eastern-rite and apocryphal in Western-rite churches), Noah was taught by the archangel Raphael how to cure the diseases sent to punish his grandchildren for their sins. He recorded in a book all the herbs and plants the use of which he had been taught by Raphael; and this book was transmitted from one generation to another. Later it was translated into many languages, copies of it coming into the hands of the most famous physicians of India and Greece, who derived therefrom their medical knowledge.


i'm lookimg for a copy of this book.if any one has it i'd really appreciate a copy!


or if you know the correct name of the book,that would be great too!


Sefer Noach, if its still around (I've never seen a copy) is considered BS. The Book of Jubilees has potential but has yet to be shown to be accurate (I believe there are 2 versions, I'm talking about the earlier one).