The kick ass tour is starting in 2 weeks. I guess it will be Yanks v. Astros or Cubs
"Astros or Cubs"
LOLOLOLOLOLOLdude you mis-spelled :PIRATES
Pirates? they still have a team?
Gotta love Pretjah's enthusiasm. Go Bucs, shock the world!
I don't see how the Yanks can be better than they were last year.
Yeah, offensively they are probably better. But even dimwits know that pitching wins in the playoffs. And losing Clemens, Wells, and Pettite for Leiber, Brown, and whoever isn't even close to an even swap.
Boston wins the East by 2 games
"Yeah, offensively they are probably better. But even dimwits know that pitching wins in the playoffs. And losing Clemens, Wells, and Pettite for Leiber, Brown, and whoever isn't even close to an even swap. "
the yankees 2,3,4,5 pitchers last year were clemens, pettitte, wells and jeff weaver.
this year the yankees 2,3,4,5 starters are kevin brown, javier vasquez, jose contreras and jon leiber(won 20 games the year b4 he was hurt).
this years rotation is better than last years, bottom line. Pettitte was my favorite Yankee but Javier Vasquez is younger, throws more K's and is a better pitcher overall. Pettitte's ERA" is always around or over 4.00. Kevin Brown if healthy is just as good or better than Roger Clemens so I will call it a wash. Jose Contreras at this point and having a full year in the majors under his belt is a better pitcher than that fat slob Wells. And as bad as Weaver was on our team I would take anyone over him, if Leiber returns from his elbow problem he is a much much better pitcher than Weaver.
So yes pitching does win championships and thats why we will win the championship this year long with our insane hitting.
Vazquez has a career record of 64-68, with a career ERA of 4.18 (same career ERA as Lieber, ironically). Pettitte has a career record of 149-78, with an ERA of 3.94. Vazques has won 15+ games in a season once; Pettitte six times. Pettitte has consistently been one of the top pitchers in the AL (throwing against the DH), for six or seven years. Vazquez, playing in the NL where you get to face the pitcher every third inning and don't have to give the #8 batter anything to hit, has a sub-500 record.
But I can see why you would think Vazquez is the better pitcher.
Kevin Brown will miss at least 8 starts. It's what he does, get hurt and miss starts (29 in the last 3 years). The fact that he's 39 will not help him stay healthy. And he has NEVER, EVER, been better than Clemens.
If you want to count on Contreras based on the 71 innings of Major League experience he has, I would say that's risky at best.
Oh, and as for that "fat slob" who averaged 17 wins a season in pinstripes and threw less than 200 innings once in the last eight years, you'll be wishing you had him back when Brown and/or Leiber get hurt again.
Mussina's the only dependable starter on that staff.
I was a Leiber fan (still pull for him) as he was an All-Star, 20 game winner for the Cubs and he is a fellow Iowan, but he is a longshot to win consistantly in the major leagues.
In fact, he is hurt now, isn't he?
"Vazquez has a career record of 64-68, with a career ERA of 4.18 (same career ERA as Lieber, ironically). Pettitte has a career record of 149-78, with an ERA of 3.94. Vazques has won 15+ games in a season once; Pettitte six times. "
Pettitte was on the Yankees, Vazquez was on the Expos you idiot! Of course your gonna win more games when your on the best team getting insane run support for most of Vasquez years he was on the worst team in baseball. Your comparing apples to oranges. If Vazquez was on the Yankees all those years he would have put up the same or better numbers than Pettitte and Pettitte is my favorite player. Vazquez has a better ERA and a shitload more strikeouts than Pettitte every year and thats on a worse team, only thing Pettitte has thats better is wins and thats because he gets 6 runs a game support on the best team in baseball. Vazquez is 27 year old horse just entering his prime, Pettitte is a 31 year old with bad elbow problems, thats why the Yankees let him go, you pick who you would want on your team.
Anyone who has seen Clemens pitch knows that he pitches inside and has to intimidate the hitters in order to be successful, well guess what he aint gonna be able to do that in the national league where he has to hit every couple innings. Noone knows how clemens is going to do in the national league and in the national league they are a much better fastball hitters than in the american league. Yes brown does and will get hurt but the second half of last year he quietly was the old kevin brown putting up fantastic numbers. If he managed to stay healthy for a full year he could win 25 games on this Yankee team.
I'm willing to bet a large sum of money that Kevin Brown will not win 25 games this year.
"Pettitte was on the Yankees, Vazquez was on the Expos you idiot!"
I am aware of who they have played for, namecalling is unnecessary, and makes you look childish.
But how am I an idiot?? You say that Vazquez has a better ERA and a "shitload" more strikeouts every year? That's not right----in the six years that Vazquez has pitched in the majors, he has had a better ERA than Pettitte three times, worse ERA three times. In those same six years, he has had more strikeouts four times, but Pettitte always has, and always will be, a groundball pitcher, not a strikeout pitcher. And the term "shitload" is subjective anyhow. We'll just have to see what your Wonderboy does throwing against 9 hitters instead of 7 1/2.
So you're telling me that if Pettitte was in Montreal for six years, he would have a sub-500 record?? Because that's what Vazquez, who you claim is the better pitcher, has been to this point. Did you ever consider the fact that a big reason the Yankees have been so successful the last 7-8 years is pitchers like Pettitte, not the other way around??
Eddie beat me with the Kevin Brown comment.
no shit kevin brown isnt gonna win 25 games, no pitcher will it was an exaggeration.
"So you're telling me that if Pettitte was in Montreal for six years, he would have a sub-500 record?? Because that's what Vazquez, who you claim is the better pitcher, has been to this point. Did you ever consider the fact that a big reason the Yankees have been so successful the last 7-8 years is pitchers like Pettitte, not the other way around?? "
yes im telling if you Pettitte was in Montreal for those same 6 years he would be sub .500 or .500 at best. As for the fact Pettitte is a reason the Yankees have been so successful the past 10 years, Ive been following the Yankees for a loooong time, Im more than aware of the reasons they have been a dynasty.
Yanks only scored 3 against that great D-Rays pitching staff, and they gave up 8.
If they lose tomorrow, does Steinbrenner fire Torre somewhere over the Pacific? LOL