O-Care Passed Due to "stupidity of voters"


And the lack of transparency of how the financing of it would work, according to Johnathan Gruber, one of the architects of Obamacare.

Like this is any new type of info

Massachusetts Institute of Technology Professor Jonathan Gruber was, by most accounts, one of the key figures in constructing the Affordable Care Act, better known as Obamacare. He helped designed the Massachusetts health care law on which it was modeled, assisted the White House in laying out the foundation of the law, and, accordingto The New York Times, was eventually sent to Capitol Hill "to help Congressional staff members draft the specifics of the legislation." He provided the media with a stream of supportive quotes, and was paid almost $400,000 for his consulting work. 

Jonathan Gruber, in other words, knows exactly what it took to get the health care law passed.

And that's why you should take him seriously when he says, in the following video, that it was critical to not be transparent about the law's costs and true effects, and to take advantage of the "stupidity of the American voter" in order to get it passed:  

Here's the full quote: 

"This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes. If CBO [Congressional Budget Office] scored the mandate as taxes, the bill dies. Okay, so it’s written to do that.  In terms of risk rated subsidies, if you had a law which said that healthy people are going to pay in – you made explicit healthy people pay in and sick people get money, it would not have passed… Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really really critical for the thing to pass....Look, I wish Mark was right that we could make it all transparent, but I’d rather have this law than not."

This validates much of what critics have said about the health care law, and the tactics used to pass it, for years.

For one thing, it is an explicit admission that the law was designed in such a way to avoid a CBO score that would have tanked the bill. Basically, the Democrats who wrote the bill knowingly gamed the CBO process. 

It's also an admission that the law's authors understood that one of the effects of the bill would be to make healthy people pay for the sick, but declined to say this for fear that it would kill the bill's chances. In other words, the law's supporters believed the public would not like some of the bill's consequences, and knowingly attempted to hide those consequences from the public. 

Most importantly, however, it is an admission that Gruber thinks it's acceptable to deceive people if he believes that's the only way to achieve his policy preference. That's not exactly surprising, given that he failed to disclose payments from the administration to consult on Obamacare even while providing the media with supposedly independent assessments of the law.

But it's particularly revealing in light of Gruber's recently discovered comments regarding the way the law's subsidies for health insurance are supposed to work. In a 2012 video unearthed this summer, Gruber said explicitly that the tax credits to offset coverage costs were conditioned on state participation in the law's exchanges—a contention that the administration denies, and is at the heart of a legal challenge on its way to the Supreme Court. 

Gruber, who by 2014 was making vehement arguments in support of the administration's position, said that in the video he misspoke. That excuse was hard to believe. For one thing, he elaborated on the argument at length, and for another, a second recording surfaced soon after in which he said almost the exact same thing. 

It's even harder to believe now that he has admitted that he thinks it's fine to mislead people if doing so bolsters the policy goals he favors. It's really quite telling, about the law and also about Gruber. Gruber may believe that American voters are stupid, but he was the one who was dumb enough to say all this on camera. 

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Jettdawg? Phone Post 3.0

"If you like your insurance you can keep your insurance....."

I blame all those hipsters and idiots who voted for him in the first place. Phone Post 3.0

baj54 - "If you like your insurance you can keep your insurance....."

I blame all those hipsters and idiots who voted for him in the first place. Phone Post 3.0
And the second place as well. Phone Post 3.0

No of this matters, Obama wants net neutrality Phone Post 3.0

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Wow. If I were a Republican candidate for the Presidency, this clip would be part of my ad campaign. Phone Post 3.0

Just got a letter in the mail saying my Obamacare for next year will be raised $50 a month and my subsidy will be reduced $30 a month. My income didn't change. Neither did my health. Looks like I get to pay another $1200 for healthcare next year as a healthy nonsmoking 33 year old male! Also I hear they mailed these letters the day after the election. Phone Post 3.0

rRooster - Just got a letter in the mail saying my Obamacare for next year will be raised $50 a month and my subsidy will be reduced $30 a month. My income didn't change. Neither did my health. Looks like I get to pay another $1200 for healthcare next year as a healthy nonsmoking 33 year old male! Also I hear they mailed these letters the day after the election. Phone Post 3.0
Want a cigarette?

I kid. Phone Post 3.0

microbiologynerd -


Have you ever looked at her actual quote? Phone Post 3.0

Is this really news to anyone? Outside of people like jettdog did anyone believe we were going to insure and care for more people at less cost?

Slapsymaxi - 
microbiologynerd -


Have you ever looked at her actual quote? Phone Post 3.0


"“But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it – away from the fog of the controversy.” - Nanci Pelosi



 



She said that because the bill WASN'T EVEN COMPLETED when they voted on it or when it was signed into law. That was the fog and controversy.

^^^^ Thats makes it sound much better.



sarcasm

That's still a truncated quote.


“You’ve heard about the controversies, the process about the bill…but I don’t know if you’ve heard that it is legislation for the future – not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America,” she told the National Association of Counties annual legislative conference, which has drawn about 2,000 local officials to Washington. “But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it – away from the fog of the controversy.”

I take it to mean that people have rallied against the law, but once it's in effect, you will see the benefits. Phone Post 3.0

That's even more retarded!

 

"Nevermind the controversy about how Obamacare is not going to let you keep your insurance if you want and how you can't keep your doctor if you like him, let's just pass the bill and see what it will do for us in the future!"

 

What a crazy cunt.

Slapsymaxi - That's still a truncated quote.


“You’ve heard about the controversies, the process about the bill…but I don’t know if you’ve heard that it is legislation for the future – not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America,” she told the National Association of Counties annual legislative conference, which has drawn about 2,000 local officials to Washington. “But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it – away from the fog of the controversy.”

I take it to mean that people have rallied against the law, but once it's in effect, you will see the benefits. Phone Post 3.0
Oh that's much better....



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