OG doc. AMA on COVID-19

pidgey -
Dragunov -
mataleo1 -

I'm going to take a break from the thread for a little while. But I'll answer questions tomorrow AM.

A lot of backlash (and now backtrack) on the Herd immunity approach of the UK.

Get some rest man. I’m in the UK. Not at all happy with the approach so far. It’s almost as if we’re waiting for it to really hit the fan before putting any significant measures in place.

I heard something about quarantining all the over 70 in UK, is it true? That would be a brilliant idea.


99% of the dead in Italy are > 70yo, in fact the average is 80.3, large majority with more than one preexisting condition (most common: hypertension, cardiopathies, diabetes), also most of them are in critical conditions in recovery units that are running out of space, which is the biggest problem at this time.


Plus in Italy you cant get the oldies to stay the fuck home, even in the evening you see a lot of bar full of granpas playing cards (this before the bars were closed down for the epidemic of course).


But even to this day, i see them out doing shopping in grocery stores or whatever, going out every fucking day.


 


 


 


 


 

That seems to be the plan but ‘not yet’. Not sure what they’re waiting for! Any sensible >70 should probably be staying home anyway. 

Dragunov -
pidgey -
Dragunov -
mataleo1 -

I'm going to take a break from the thread for a little while. But I'll answer questions tomorrow AM.

A lot of backlash (and now backtrack) on the Herd immunity approach of the UK.

Get some rest man. I’m in the UK. Not at all happy with the approach so far. It’s almost as if we’re waiting for it to really hit the fan before putting any significant measures in place.

I heard something about quarantining all the over 70 in UK, is it true? That would be a brilliant idea.


99% of the dead in Italy are > 70yo, in fact the average is 80.3, large majority with more than one preexisting condition (most common: hypertension, cardiopathies, diabetes), also most of them are in critical conditions in recovery units that are running out of space, which is the biggest problem at this time.


Plus in Italy you cant get the oldies to stay the fuck home, even in the evening you see a lot of bar full of granpas playing cards (this before the bars were closed down for the epidemic of course).


But even to this day, i see them out doing shopping in grocery stores or whatever, going out every fucking day.


 


 


 


 


 

That seems to be the plan but ‘not yet’. Not sure what they’re waiting for! Any sensible >70 should probably be staying home anyway. 

It's not just old people, or the death rate that matters though.  Italy has 12.7% of people infected needing ICU. Of those, half are younger than 65.

androb -
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tbizzle - 

Why is COVID-19 more dangerous than swine flu when 60 million Americans were infected and 300,000 were hospitalized? There was no where near this amount of panic back then. 


We don't have exact data to compare and numbers might be completely off, but, based on what we have, I can break it down quickly:

Mortality: for swine flu (in the US) was about 4k/22 million and preliminary data from Italy and Spain is that it's somewhere between 2-5%

Acute Care necessity: around 0.2% for swine flue and about 10-15% for COVID-19.

Hospitalizations: about 1-2% for swine flu, about 25% for COVID

Again, the numbers might be completely different as we know more, but it seems reasonable to be prepared.

That’s from Italy. (Not sure why Italy is such a hotbed) but there are other countries reporting numbers not nearly so scary. 
 


and a previous post of yours says 90% of people showing symptoms that are tested are coming back negative 

Italy is a hot bed because they didn’t take the virus serious at all. So when the virus spread, they weren’t able to handle the amount of cases they were receiving to the point where if you were considered a high mortality chance, they’d send you home to die. 


stay safe guys

captainplanet -
androb -
mataleo1 -
tbizzle - 

Why is COVID-19 more dangerous than swine flu when 60 million Americans were infected and 300,000 were hospitalized? There was no where near this amount of panic back then. 


We don't have exact data to compare and numbers might be completely off, but, based on what we have, I can break it down quickly:

Mortality: for swine flu (in the US) was about 4k/22 million and preliminary data from Italy and Spain is that it's somewhere between 2-5%

Acute Care necessity: around 0.2% for swine flue and about 10-15% for COVID-19.

Hospitalizations: about 1-2% for swine flu, about 25% for COVID

Again, the numbers might be completely different as we know more, but it seems reasonable to be prepared.

That’s from Italy. (Not sure why Italy is such a hotbed) but there are other countries reporting numbers not nearly so scary. 
 


and a previous post of yours says 90% of people showing symptoms that are tested are coming back negative 

Italy is a hot bed because they didn’t take the virus serious at all. So when the virus spread, they weren’t able to handle the amount of cases they were receiving to the point where if you were considered a high mortality chance, they’d send you home to die. 

Surprised the Pope hasn't had it. 


 


Wasn't he going around shaking hands?

How worried should I be about my wife and our unborn child? My wife is 14 weeks pregnant. She is an OD and owns her practice so she comes into close contact with patients every day. 

I have an appointment to be tested on Tuesday. Never had a fever, a bit of a cough but mostly shortness of breath that comes and goes. I don't know if it's anxiety but I feel like I'm going to pass out. Problem is I can't just go to the hospital. I have to call the same hotline I called to get an appointment and I was on hold for 4.5 hours before I got through.

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captainplanet -
androb -
mataleo1 -
tbizzle - 

Why is COVID-19 more dangerous than swine flu when 60 million Americans were infected and 300,000 were hospitalized? There was no where near this amount of panic back then. 


We don't have exact data to compare and numbers might be completely off, but, based on what we have, I can break it down quickly:

Mortality: for swine flu (in the US) was about 4k/22 million and preliminary data from Italy and Spain is that it's somewhere between 2-5%

Acute Care necessity: around 0.2% for swine flue and about 10-15% for COVID-19.

Hospitalizations: about 1-2% for swine flu, about 25% for COVID

Again, the numbers might be completely different as we know more, but it seems reasonable to be prepared.

That’s from Italy. (Not sure why Italy is such a hotbed) but there are other countries reporting numbers not nearly so scary. 
 


and a previous post of yours says 90% of people showing symptoms that are tested are coming back negative 

Italy is a hot bed because they didn’t take the virus serious at all. So when the virus spread, they weren’t able to handle the amount of cases they were receiving to the point where if you were considered a high mortality chance, they’d send you home to die. 

Surprised the Pope hasn't had it. 


 


Wasn't he going around shaking hands?

He also has Jesus protecting him, sooo...

PoopingTom - I have an appointment to be tested on Tuesday. Never had a fever, a bit of a cough but mostly shortness of breath that comes and goes. I don't know if it's anxiety but I feel like I'm going to pass out. Problem is I can't just go to the hospital. I have to call the same hotline I called to get an appointment and I was on hold for 4.5 hours before I got through.

isn't the fever a huge part of it?
maybe one of the MD's can chime in
feel better man

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Yeah there's usually a fever but to be tested here you have to have traveled, have a fever or cough. Anyway, probably just anxiety kicking in.

Whats with worldometers info.... 

 

Suddenly the entire vatican just died. 

NoNeed4aScreenName -

Whats with worldometers info.... 


 


Suddenly the entire vatican just died. 

never mind. They fixed it. It was a little unreal to show a someone the site and suddenly there was 800K deaths, almost all from the vatican

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NoNeed4aScreenName -
captainplanet -
androb -
mataleo1 -
tbizzle - 

Why is COVID-19 more dangerous than swine flu when 60 million Americans were infected and 300,000 were hospitalized? There was no where near this amount of panic back then. 


We don't have exact data to compare and numbers might be completely off, but, based on what we have, I can break it down quickly:

Mortality: for swine flu (in the US) was about 4k/22 million and preliminary data from Italy and Spain is that it's somewhere between 2-5%

Acute Care necessity: around 0.2% for swine flue and about 10-15% for COVID-19.

Hospitalizations: about 1-2% for swine flu, about 25% for COVID

Again, the numbers might be completely different as we know more, but it seems reasonable to be prepared.

That’s from Italy. (Not sure why Italy is such a hotbed) but there are other countries reporting numbers not nearly so scary. 
 


and a previous post of yours says 90% of people showing symptoms that are tested are coming back negative 

Italy is a hot bed because they didn’t take the virus serious at all. So when the virus spread, they weren’t able to handle the amount of cases they were receiving to the point where if you were considered a high mortality chance, they’d send you home to die. 

Surprised the Pope hasn't had it. 


 


Wasn't he going around shaking hands?

He probably did. Wasn’t he coughing and out of sight for a while? Has he been seen recently?

Yeah the labelled the mystery illness just a cold 

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NoNeed4aScreenName -

Whats with worldometers info.... 


 


Suddenly the entire vatican just died. 

Yes, I shit my pants when I saw it went from 167k to over 750k.  Then when I saw deaths were more than cases, I breathed a sigh of relief.


 


its either a typo or a hack.

only one thing we can do is flatten the curve, that means evrybody should isolate themselves, so the hospitals don't get over run like Italy.

 

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captainplanet -
androb -
mataleo1 -
tbizzle - 

Why is COVID-19 more dangerous than swine flu when 60 million Americans were infected and 300,000 were hospitalized? There was no where near this amount of panic back then. 


We don't have exact data to compare and numbers might be completely off, but, based on what we have, I can break it down quickly:

Mortality: for swine flu (in the US) was about 4k/22 million and preliminary data from Italy and Spain is that it's somewhere between 2-5%

Acute Care necessity: around 0.2% for swine flue and about 10-15% for COVID-19.

Hospitalizations: about 1-2% for swine flu, about 25% for COVID

Again, the numbers might be completely different as we know more, but it seems reasonable to be prepared.

That’s from Italy. (Not sure why Italy is such a hotbed) but there are other countries reporting numbers not nearly so scary. 
 


and a previous post of yours says 90% of people showing symptoms that are tested are coming back negative 

Italy is a hot bed because they didn’t take the virus serious at all. So when the virus spread, they weren’t able to handle the amount of cases they were receiving to the point where if you were considered a high mortality chance, they’d send you home to die. 

absolutely untrue.

Is it better to have cash on hand right now or will that potentially be seen as too much of a contagious vehicle?

My question is 

So after hearing that the virus hates sunlight, high temperatures and humidity. Wouldn’t a good 2 hours in a Sauna and maybe an hour in a tanning bed kill it? Sounds like a joke but Ya never know 

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My question is 


So after hearing that the virus hates sunlight, high temperatures and humidity. Wouldn’t a good 2 hours in a Sauna and maybe an hour in a tanning bed kill it? Sounds like a joke but Ya never know 

They addressed this with the disease expert on rogans podcast. Short answer is no. The places in your body where the virus lives don't get to the temperature that it would need to get to in order to kill it. 

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Whats with worldometers info.... 


 


Suddenly the entire vatican just died. 

never mind. They fixed it. It was a little unreal to show a someone the site and suddenly there was 800K deaths, almost all from the vatican

We apologize for the temporary disservice that you may have experienced. For about 20 minutes, our site showed clearly incorrect data due to a malicious act. We have investigated the issue and we're now implementing protective measures to prevent this from happening again. The other day we got hit with a big DDoS attack. Now this. We'll continue with our daily efforts and we'll not give up.