yea cuz that's a normal occurance in the cage.
dumb.
Ummm no.
No mma should be in a ring. All MMA should be in a cage.
I could post hundreds and hundreds of videos of fighters falling out of a ring and getting hurt, but I think it would get repetative after I posted the first 50 videos.
I love the ring and ten minute first rounds. 
If done correctly like PRIDE, I prefer the ring, the problem is PRIDE werepretty much the only ones that figured out how to do MMA in a ring. On top of that there will always be pros and cons.
RKing85 - Ummm no.What are you? The king of everything?
No mma should be in a ring. All MMA should be in a cage.
I could post hundreds and hundreds of videos of fighters falling out of a ring and getting hurt, but I think it would get repetative after I posted the first 50 videos.
There is a HUGE market of fans who prefer the ring. That's cause enough.
You can post all the local, shit shows with $150 rings that have rubberband ropes that fighters fall out of but any show with real money behind it, like OneFC, can easily assure that nothing like that would happen.
Again, post a PRIDE or DREAM fight where the fighters fell out of the ring. There were about 700 fights from those two orgs so I'M SURE there are plenty of videos you can post from them..............right?
alleviate...........
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"The Ring's only fault is the possibility of falling out"
orcus - "The Ring's only fault is the possibility of falling out"This is something I don't understand. I think MMA fans (and particularly ring proponents) are the only sports fans that have a big issue with referee or part-of-the-game restarts. In every major sport I can think of there are CONSTANT resets/restarts. Literally non-stop interference with "the flow" - even boxing.
The trade off is restart to the center of the ring or have guys pressed up against the cage for 60 seconds. Which is more boring?
ranier wolfcastle - yeah lets watch some fighters fall out of the ring and/or get tangled in the ropes.
Or better yet, let's watch fighters hug each other up against the cage and stall...
I prefer
An occasional restart to the middle of the ring
Than FUCKING
Wall n Stall
and horrible viewing when seing a Live Event.
DeusEx - I preferI'm starting to like this fella...................................
An occasional restart to the middle of the ring
Than FUCKING
Wall n Stall
and horrible viewing when seing a Live Event.
"The trade off is restart to the center of the ring or have guys pressed up against the cage for 60 seconds. Which is more boring?"
I've seen guys pressed up against the ropes for more than 60 seconds (Barnett vs Crocop II comes to mind), so it seems like the ropes have the worst of both worlds.
But yes, interrupting the action is worse. When guys are broken up in a cage, it's because there is NO action. Guys are broken up in a ring WHILE they are doing something, GnP, going for sub, whatever, because the stupid ropes are in the way. There is no way the restart doesn't have an effect, the guy in the bad position has time to reset, to compose himself, to think of how to escape; the momentum is lost.
Plus it looks retarded as hell.
" In every major sport I can think of there are CONSTANT resets/restarts. Literally non-stop interference with "the flow" - even boxing."
The interference in boxing comes when the fighters do things they are not allowed to do. Not when the chosen venue itself becomes a problem.
The only advantages of the ring are for the live audience, and to make it harder to run away. And the latter can be addressed with a cage of fewer sides or smaller diameter. Hell, even make the cage a square, I don't care.
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No, but seriously Haulport is right about this one. They need to differentiate and build a brand outside of the UFC gimmick. UFC light is not going to work and the ring is also better for all the other reasons mentioned above. Much more exciting fights, less stalling, better for the audience and just more attractive to look at in general.
Haulport -orcus - "The Ring's only fault is the possibility of falling out"This is something I don't understand. I think MMA fans (and particularly ring proponents) are the only sports fans that have a big issue with referee or part-of-the-game restarts. In every major sport I can think of there are CONSTANT resets/restarts. Literally non-stop interference with "the flow" - even boxing.
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The trade off is restart to the center of the ring or have guys pressed up against the cage for 60 seconds. Which is more boring?
Judo, Boxing, Kickboxing, MT, Wrestling... are not MMA. I'm not totally against ref restarts, but I prefer it when fighters are allowed to continue.
Perhaps flow is the wrong word, but let's put it this way. If a guy is getting his shit pushed in on the perimeter of the ring, and we need to stop the fight to drag him and his opponent back in... that sucks.
Rings work for boxing, because no one is shooting for a takedown in boxing. No one is getting thrown or tripped. Judo and wrestling have never been done in rings because the idea of having a guy thrown through the air on a platform 5 feet above the ground is crazy. MMA isn't that far off.
I like the cage. Sure guys will wall and stall, and sure I don't know enough wrestling to understand exactly what's going on with all the pummeling, but it is an elegant solution to the problem of two men fighting under near-NHB rules.
Plus, I don't think OneFC needs the ring to differentiate themselves. They've done a good job doing it already with the rules and show format. Also, using a cage can help marketing to the casual fan via association with the UFC. The sport is gaining momentum in these parts (Singapore) and one of the terms I hear a lot is "cage-fighting".
Love you like a brother, Haulport. But you know how I feel about this.
Nobody wants to see ref restarts when people go through the ropes.
And as always, from his days dating back to the LFC and Ashley Radio... RKing is correct.
Haulport -Haulport -And regardless of ANY of that kind of discussion there is about 40+% of MMA fans who PREFER the ring. And they are usually <b>YOUNGER </b>fans........ranier wolfcastle - yeah lets watch some fighters fall out of the ring and/or get tangled in the ropes.Oh yeah. Definitely.
Don't you remember all those times that happened in PRIDE...............................yeah...
Differentiating himself from the UFC and appealing to a younger demo is a SMART BUSINESS MOVE.
Period.
These polls where taken years apart:
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Lets be honest here. Most of the younger people (especially newer fans) only chance of seeing the downside of a ring is going on youtube to watch old pride fights (which i believe zuffa has done a good job of taking down btw). While people falling through ropes didnt happen a lot, there were other annoyances like the fighters moving towards the ropes and then the guy on the bottom having his head stick out of the ropes and then the guy on top unloading. There was also the constant restarts to the center of the ring. Nothing was more annoying in pride then having a fight restarted in the center every other minute.
The cage has its own issues but at least I dont have to watch someone get doubled through the ropes.
