Oppressed peoples and future outcomes

The lefts contend that blacks lag behind other races in the USA because of slavery and Jim Crow. 

It’s insurmountable they say. 

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explain this to me then:

* Jews that remain in Germany are a prosperous people. 

* Armenians that remain in Turkey are a doing quite well. 

* Sikhs in India are doing quite well. 

The above mentioned groups faced atrocities much worse than slavery. Yet, they’ve all done wel for themselves. 

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Id like an explanation for this from someone from the left. 

Literally hitler

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The left broke the spirit and pride of many Black Americans by convincing them it was impossible for them to succeed and that the government was their only hope for survival.

DaveFu -


I tend to believe most white liberals are well meaning people like Rubin. 

You could sense his hesitation when asked to answer the black mans question. He was confused because of the horseshit he was fed in college And through the media.

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this is my point exactly. The plight of black people is no worse than the groups I mentioned in the original post. Biggest difference is the lowered expectations liberals have for blacks 

I ask again,how are these people successful in the country that tore them to shreds:

Jews in Germany 

Armenians in Turkey

Sikhs in India

People need to stop viewing these topics as all or nothing.

Old Jim Crow may have gone away, but there are plenty of shitbags still in power. I couldn’t imagine the outrage on this site if a black representative said white people had inferior character..

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/kansas-rep-steve-alford-says-blacks-abuse-drugs-because-of-character-makeup/

 

 

Youre being offensive with your logic

OneGlove -

People need to stop viewing these topics as all or nothing.

Old Jim Crow may have gone away, but there are plenty of shitbags still in power. I couldn’t imagine the outrage on this site if a black representative said white people had inferior character..

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/kansas-rep-steve-alford-says-blacks-abuse-drugs-because-of-character-makeup/

 

 

Maybe you should read the OG thread on this guy. Pure disgust from OGers. 

 

OneGlove sounds like another apologist. 

OneGlove - u do realize many oppressed people throughout the world have overcome obstacles. See the original post. How were those groups able to overcome?  

It’s more impressive since they weren’t in the USA. How do I know? Because once those groups made it to the USA, they are amongst the most successful groups here. 

OneGlove -

People need to stop viewing these topics as all or nothing.

Old Jim Crow may have gone away, but there are plenty of shitbags still in power. I couldn’t imagine the outrage on this site if a black representative said white people had inferior character..

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/kansas-rep-steve-alford-says-blacks-abuse-drugs-because-of-character-makeup/

 

 

Gerrymandering is just now being addressed by the supreme court. So our country has officially recognized that black votes were/are purposely split up with nonsenical districts to weaken their voting base. 

Quite frankly I'm happy about gerrymandering on some level since blacks always vote dem and will often support a candidate I hate, but I can't pretend that that is not a fucked up pattern to institutionalize into our govt. I think the problemm facing Black America is largely a cultural one and one rooted strongly in their non-existant family structures which, instead of trying to rectify ,they're simply trying to normalize through BLM claims that nuclear families are white supremacy and that villages raise kids lol But I won't pretend that they're not facing their own unique challenges in the US or that there aren't some forms of institutionalized racism. 

My personal issues with how the US treats race stem almost entirely from the drug war, gerrymandering and uneven application of police forces -- the latter point a controversial one, as there's a statistical and objective argument for heavier police presence in black communities as long as non-violent drug arrests are curbed (imo). 

OneGlove - 

People need to stop viewing these topics as all or nothing.

Old Jim Crow may have gone away, but there are plenty of shitbags still in power. I couldn’t imagine the outrage on this site if a black representative said white people had inferior character..

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/kansas-rep-steve-alford-says-blacks-abuse-drugs-because-of-character-makeup/

 

 


Shit dude I bet that caused thousands of black guys to buy illegal guns and shoot each other.

Yamie Jagerbomb -
OneGlove -

People need to stop viewing these topics as all or nothing.

Old Jim Crow may have gone away, but there are plenty of shitbags still in power. I couldn’t imagine the outrage on this site if a black representative said white people had inferior character..

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/kansas-rep-steve-alford-says-blacks-abuse-drugs-because-of-character-makeup/

 

 

Maybe you should read the OG thread on this guy. Pure disgust from OGers. 

 

OneGlove sounds like another apologist. 

OneGlove - u do realize many oppressed people throughout the world have overcome obstacles. See the original post. How were those groups able to overcome?  

It’s more impressive since they weren’t in the USA. How do I know? Because once those groups made it to the USA, they are amongst the most successful groups here. 

Other marginalized groups facing worse is not an argument for the US to abandon its attempts at creating an equitable system. Now I do NOT interpret an equitable system as liberals do and I cant' stand SJWs, particularly since they've gone full circle and are now pushing segregation, but this is all moot to what you're discussing.

You're trying to prove that other minorities have faced worse and prospered, and I'm simply arguing that I think that's a moot point when discussing whether or not the US has a fair system. It's an important point when groups like BLM bitch that they're suffering in some war torn hell hole instead of a wonderful country rife with opportunity and actually geared towards supporting minorities, but it has no place in a discussion of whether the US has institutionalized forms of discrimination. 

Asians are another minority that face institutionalized discrimination as a results of the left's obsession with identity politics and cultural marxism. Everything should be equal and any instances of inequality represent racism and injustice. Sowell had a great discussion where he pointed out how Asians will out compete whites and (especially) blacks in standardized testing even when adjusted for IQ points. And yet our country's view on race is that Asians should be penalized for high performance. Interesting to say the least.

The majority of black people are “the left” — they represent a standard neo-liberalism at the local, state, and federal level. Black people are crafting policy — you no longer have to refer to them as some sort of group being manipulated by a political party any more than other groups.

That would be step 1 to re-frame how you think about these things, imo. 

MattyECB -
OneGlove -

People need to stop viewing these topics as all or nothing.

Old Jim Crow may have gone away, but there are plenty of shitbags still in power. I couldn’t imagine the outrage on this site if a black representative said white people had inferior character..

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/kansas-rep-steve-alford-says-blacks-abuse-drugs-because-of-character-makeup/

 

 

Gerrymandering is just now being addressed by the supreme court. So our country has officially recognized that black votes were/are purposely split up with nonsenical districts to weaken their voting base. 

Quite frankly I'm happy about gerrymandering on some level since blacks always vote dem and will often support a candidate I hate, but I can't pretend that that is not a fucked up pattern to institutionalize into our govt. I think the problemm facing Black America is largely a cultural one and one rooted strongly in their non-existant family structures which, instead of trying to rectify ,they're simply trying to normalize through BLM claims that nuclear families are white supremacy and that villages raise kids lol But I won't pretend that they're not facing their own unique challenges in the US or that there aren't some forms of institutionalized racism. 

My personal issues with how the US treats race stem almost entirely from the drug war, gerrymandering and uneven application of police forces -- the latter point a controversial one, as there's a statistical and objective argument for heavier police presence in black communities as long as non-violent drug arrests are curbed (imo). 

Some would make the argument that a key component to the fracturing of the black family structure was/is disproportionate enforcement of the failed war on drugs. Again it’s not all or nothing, I do believe cultural norms in these communities can cause self defeat. These norms are strongly linked to poverty though.

OneGlove -

People need to stop viewing these topics as all or nothing.

Old Jim Crow may have gone away, but there are plenty of shitbags still in power. I couldn’t imagine the outrage on this site if a black representative said white people had inferior character..

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/kansas-rep-steve-alford-says-blacks-abuse-drugs-because-of-character-makeup/

 

 

Ok I don't care what dipshit said , hes a idiot. Now with the issues in the black community . Are you going to sit there and say there is not a character and a integrity problem in black America ?

Pumpkin Spice Lazarus -

The majority of black people are “the left” — they represent a standard neo-liberalism at the local, state, and federal level. Black people are crafting policy — you no longer have to refer to them as some sort of group being manipulated by a political party any more than other groups.

That would be step 1 to re-frame how you think about these things, imo. 

Something to consider. 

Still begs the question, why do liberals still buy the excuses (slavery, Jim Crow)?  I’m not referring to politicians, but rather the general public. 

PelosiesPanties - Meanwhile, when an individual who just so happens to be black and successful, well "he an Uncle Tom", "he an oreo". So as you see, the problem is clear but the current status quo must be maintained so nothing changes!

Is it not transparent that these successful Black people in Film, Music etc. all push the status quo that black man is held down, the world is out to keep you down, you are being shot for no reason at all, being murdered on site etc. all the while preaching this from a pedestal of "success" and "fortune", so did the evil gov't or system somehow skip them or miss them somehow? lol

Oprah pushing and fanning the flame of racism by bringing up a disgusting 1944 rape incident that is about as relevant to modern day America as National Socialist Germany is to modern day Germany. However, it continues to push the agenda of racism, its everywhere, there is no escaping it..but somehow as a Black woman she somehow slipped through the racist crack/s and fell upon a few billion dollars in her time. GTFO!

Exactly

 

notice how the usual suspects (libtards) didn’t try to explain away my original question?

where u at liberals?  Poke a hole in my reasoning. 

Obviously in the grand scheme of racism, nothing Trumps the kind blacks face...

ChomskyBlackBelt -
OneGlove -

People need to stop viewing these topics as all or nothing.

Old Jim Crow may have gone away, but there are plenty of shitbags still in power. I couldn’t imagine the outrage on this site if a black representative said white people had inferior character..

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/kansas-rep-steve-alford-says-blacks-abuse-drugs-because-of-character-makeup/

 

 

I agree completely with your comment about viewing things as being strictly black or white.

Racism exists. Prejudice exists. In every country on the planet, there are forms of it.

 I also believe that people/groups/communities  do need to take responsibility for themselves and their actions.

But it’s rarely, if ever just all of one and none of the other.

I’ve tried googling which group has been the most oppressed in the past 500 years. Can’t get anything. 

 

Surely, someone, somewhere has thought about this topic.