I'm curious as to what kind of training people do outside of their actual BJJ? Muay Thai etc. training?
Weights, run, Kettlebells, etc?
And how much do people think is necessary vs. how much time do they have to devote to training?
Cross fit style workouts are ideal to complement any martial arts training. There exercises are based on building functional strength. A lot of the top mma camps include crossfit style workouts as part of there strength and conditioning. Pushups, pullups, squats, kettlebells, tyreflps are just some of the fun tools of the trade they like to employ. I think that its very important to incorporate additional strength and conditioning workouts on top of your usual mma/muay thai training, because if you have 2 opponents in the ring with the same skill level, the one who is better conditioned will def walk away with the win.Which state are you from? Cross fit has a branch in every state. If you from vic pm me for details.
I don't want to be impolite about Crossfit so all I'll say is that if you think Crossfit is good then you've never worked with a really good trainer.
I was actually going to ask if people were interested in Kettlebell and fight conditioning classes from someone who has:
26 years of martial arts experience
15 years experience as a trainer
10 years in Strength and Conditioning including time at the VIS
Is head lecturer for the Cert.IV Fitness course at Holmesglen TAFE
Presented internationally on various aspects of sport specific topics
Written for various print magazines
Presents for Thump Boxing
But, you know, if people only want McDonalds, then I guess that Crossfit is fine.
If you want results though, and optimal results, with a program desgined for you including diet, postural assessment of strengths and weaknesses using a 7 point screen (and as far as I know I'm the only person in Australia qualified to do this) then by all means, please let me know.
Andrew Read
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wow this guys awesome. U come on with the initial post of asking what kind of training people do outside of there bjj/mt. And then you bag people out when they give you there opinions.
Great way to get people to respond to your thread and promote yourself as a pt!
Actually, if you reread my post it clearly syas I don't want to be impolite about Crossfit. I know some of the affiliates in Australia and have nothing against them personally. They choose the style of training that suits them best both from a knowledge point of view as well as a marketing point of view.
I do see your point though, and am still interested in what kind of training people do outside of their "actual" training. If you can think of my reaction to Crossfit as the same as someone who cooks in a 5 star restaurant being told that someone loves McDonald's food you'll get where I come from.
So have at it and let me know what, other than Crossfit, people do.
You don't want to be impolite, so you refer to yourself as a 5 star restaurant and call Crossfit McDonalds.
Sounds to me like you're being a big douchebag.
Yeah, yeah. I'm a big douchebag and you're the one making personal attacks.
Forgive me for having my own opinion and for having gotten great results with my customers over 15 years that I have faith in my own abilities.
If we could just get back to the actual topic...?
Training...anyone...anyone...?
andrew, could you please explain more about your 7 point screening in regards to postural assessments of strengths and weaknesses, and who your accredited by to perform this. i am just curious as to what this involves. dave
Gray Cook's Functional Movement Screen. Gray Cook is kind of like the modern father of functional movement. 7 step test based on movement rather than static assessment of posture which is what is normally conducted. Obviously when we start to move around our body behaves differently than it does at rest.
I've done the certification seminar, and as far as I am aware am the only PT in Australia to do so. Not saying anyone else couldn't do it, just that no one else has. When I went to order the testing kit it took ages because no one here had ever ordered it before and we had to figure out the best way to send a 6 foot long, 6 inch wide 2 inch high box via the mail.
The best part about the test is that it takes all the BS out of assessment. Its based on gross motor patterns and rather than look to correct individual muscles in isolation , which is the usual approach favoured by rehabilitation, you work to correct the entire movement pattern with all the muscles working in unison like they're supposed to.
Its a time consuming process as there's need to do the assessments and then figure out what the weakest link is before moving forward. This part is where the skill comes in - you could be equally weak in two different patterns but one pattern could be more important for a particular sport so that would become the priority. Often people work from a standard list where they place patterns in a hierachy over one another and won't deviate from that - everyone is different so the assessment process needs to be too.
One of the benefits of teaching is that I spend a lot of time talking about these tests and performing them on people. I've devised a modified version for PTs to use which I've added to our course (only 120 extra pages in the manual LOL). So soon I won't be the only one as the current classes are the first to get the benefit of this revised course. How many go ahead and do it and follow best practices I'm not sure. As I said in my second post - many PTs don't use all the tools at their disposal and consequently the people who train with them don't make the absolute progress they should.
I hope that helps.
i've found that swimming helps out a bit
i just do freestyle till i'm barely able to do anymore... made a noticeble diffence in training.
well, seeing as most people are not elite athletes, they probably are just lucky to get any training in at all.
i fall into this category, i just try to get in 4 days of bjj and thats it. if i had anymore time, then maybe i might go for a run.
also, as far as how ur thread started out, i initially thought u were asking a general question about what people do, but when someone replies, u somehow turn into an overzealous promtional speaker raving about ur amazing product and credentials. i dunno, thats how i interpreted it, and it came across as being pretty obnoxious and arrogant. but hey, if it works for u, great.
I will say the ASCA S&C course was the WORST course I have ever attended, half the course wasn't even covered in the 2 days and if it wasn't for the CEC points I would have nothing to recommend about it.
Best courses are the QWA weight lifting courses, by far an away best value for dollar. no CECs
You have already made up your mind on what people should be doing, why ask?
Chingsluksuwa - did you start swimming because its no impact to give you a rest from the harder training? Or was it something you grew up with?
ASCA course is indeed a waste of time. I can remember doing it about 12 years ago and if there wasn't a Russian wrestler in my course it would have been a total waste of time - I learnt more sitting next to him than I did from the presenter. Its also why I'm not a member anymore. Too much back patting and serving of own needs rather than honest attempts to better the industry.
One thing I have learnt is that the best stuff to learn never has any CECs attached to it.
And the reason behind my question is that BJJ is such a unique sport, and given people's time poor lives a small amount of extra work can make a huge difference . So training for it can take many forms and I was keen to see what were the dominant styles used. Anyone who knows me knows that my ideas on training are constantly changing - we learn everyay so why not make the most of it and always follow best practices?
Andrew,
Was the Russian Wrestler Sasha (yes, I know that's a very common nickname)?
Gray Cook stuff is pretty cool, I guess the question of carry over of static postural assessment Vs dynamic posture is always going to be open for debate.
What sport did you work with at the VIS? (not being a smart ass).
I will never accept that Crossfit is suitable for everyone but then again not many things are. I do find it difficult to debate it's merits with devotees as like so many other principles, it does get a cult following which shuts it off from open discussion.
I think your McDonalds ref is more directed at their licensing and certification strategies, but then again I probably wouldn't put much more faith in most (not all) cert 3 and 4 programs either.
Weightlifting coaching run by a state body is awesome, however Olympic lifts I would consider much further along in a conditioning program than most people put it. There is a lot to be taken care of, such as general conditioning, structural integrity and movement efficiency amongst other things before we can attack dynamic, multi joint and high skill movements and obtain optimal gains.
Where you based, bull neck??
Cheers
-Nick-
His name was Sasha. Little stocky guy. Amazing strength and flexibility. The Russian system is very far ahead of us in terms of research on strength development. I spent the weekend with a Russian S&C guy doing a Kettlebell workshop with my students and was amazed at his knowledge and ability to explain some very complex things to my students. I've told all my students that even if they aren't interested in KBs that they need to go to hear what he has to say about strength development.
I agree that Oly lifts are pushed on people too quickly. I think the Americanisation of sports is to blame - having limited coaching staff to oversee large numbers and taking the end needs and translating them into beginner programs doesn't work - Its not what a champion does today that is important, its what they did 10 years ago.
Most people would be surprised to see that true elite performers spend most of their time drilling basics. They just do it at a far higher level than most of us. Yet msot will think that need training that is more challenging. The trick with training isn't to do as much as possible, its do as little as possible and get a benefit so as not to detract from your skill training.
The McDonalds comment is based on the certification process as well as the one size fits all nature of it. I don't think that's optimal. I agree that a lot of my industry is plagued by the same problem regardless of affiliation with program. There's plenty of PTs who suck. There's some talk about changing the course/role so that you need to be degree qualified and I think that's not such a bad idea. That would at least slow down the rate of dumbasses doing Bosu something or others at Fitness first.
I worked at the VIS as an assistant in the weight room and did programs for a variety of sports - mostly juniors up to U21. More recently I've been working with beach volleyball and a couple of AFL draft potentials for the upcoming draft camp in October.
Judo - I live in Melbourne.
Your not describing crossfit as I have seen it taught, sorry.
bull neck - What about burpees? When I'm training hard I do lots of burpees. I've found some people love them and others hate them.