Police kill 2 unarmed suspects- shot 377 times

Miami police kill 2 unarmed suspects by shooting disabled car 377 times

"The guys tried to put their hands up, and as soon as they put their hands up, it erupted again."

MIAMI, FL -- In perhaps the largest case of contagious fire on record, a suspect's vehicle was riddled with hundreds of bullets in a chaotic and frenzied show of police force following a pursuit. Witnesses emphatically said that the vehicle's 2 occupants were trying to surrender, but that did not stop a total of 23 police officers from firing at least 377 shots at the vehicle. The officers' wild volleys of bullets struck not only the suspects, but also neighboring houses, businesses, vehicles -- even fellow police officers.

The situation occurred early in the morning hours of of December 10th, 2013. Questions about the use of force have lingered about this case for months.

A robbery suspect, Adrian Montesano, had his vehicle pinned between a utility pole and a tree following a pursuit at approximately 5:00 a.m. Dozens of officers had participated in the chase -- so many that it worked to their detriment.

As the blue Volvo remained stationary, officers aimed their rifles towards it from every angle. For nearly 2 minutes, officers tensely waited with weapons aimed.

Suddenly, one of the officers opened fire. The gunshots caused other officers to join in. Roughly 50 shots were fired at once.

This would only be the opening volley. The real fireworks were yet to come.

The men inside the car managed to survive the initial onslaught. The driver was the only one suspected of a crime. The passenger's only mistake was having the wrong choice of friends.

A witness, Anthony Vandiver, whose house had already been shot by police in the initial blasts, ran to an upstairs window and had a perfect view down at the blue Volvo disabled in front of his house.

"They said, 'put your hands up!' And the guys were still moving after they shot, like maybe 50-60 times," recalled Mr. Vandiver to CBS-4 Miami. "And the guys tried to put their hands up, and as soon as they put their hands up, it erupted again."

As the suspects raised their hands following officers' commends, another intense volley of gunfire was launched. This time, much greater than before. The frenzied gunfire continued rapidly for 25 full seconds as dozens of officers emptied their magazines.

In all, a total of at least 377 rounds had been fired, from 23 separate officers.
"The policemen that had on the black and white vests were out there laughing like it was so funny because they got a free shot off them people."

The attack was so poorly executed that 2 different officers were struck by friendly fire. One cop was shot in the leg and another was grazed in the head. There was so much gunfire that the noise ruptured the eardrums of two other officers.

"Get all the officers off to the side. We've got to get rescue in here," a panicked officer said on a radio transmission. "There's too many officers here! Back them up!!"

Adrian Montesano and his innocent passenger, Corsini Valdes, were dead.

"That was it for them. That guy tried his best to give up," stated Mr. Vandiver. "I swear to God; on everything I love, my kids my momma, everything. I seen it all."

After months of speculation, it has finally been confirmed that neither man in the car was armed at the time of their death. One of the biggest questions that remains is how the police justified their use of deadly force as the vehicle was immobilized.

Even if the initial officer fired because he "saw a gun," there is no plausible way that 23 separate officers each individually identified a threat before discharging their weapons. In short, they were firing because officers next to them were firing -- a phenomenon known as "contagious fire" or "sympathetic fire." It is a dangerous response and leads to excessive and irresponsible uses of force. Some of the more professional departments train to avoid it.

If the lack of professionalism in Miami-Dade was not evident enough, a witnesses account of what happened afterwards might clear it up.

"The policemen that had on the black and white vests were out there laughing like it was so funny because they got a free shot off them people," said one of the neighbors to CBS-4 Miami. "Shooting all them bullets like that, that don't make no sense."

Disturbingly, this has happened before -- right in Miami. In 2011, twelve Miami Police shot a vehicle stopped at a street light 116 times. A believable explanation of the incident has never been offered.

Another righteous shoot by police

-Lakerup

Holy shit. 23 people should loose their benefits dishonorable discharge. Their supervisors, sergeants and lieutenants. Fuck po po is basically an army train these dumb fucks properly. Phone Post 3.0

I understand why we don't follow England in not allowing our police force to carry firearms, but everyday it seems like more and more of a good idea. Phone Post 3.0

Hopefully those two cops that got shot end up getting an infection and die Phone Post 3.0

Florida gonna Florida. Phone Post 3.0

Drew had a lot of potential, I still think he had the best theme song. I liked 3MB bayyy bayy lol.

I wont be surprised if Sandow and Ziggler get that cut by next year lol

MMOZ -
The Brotorious B.I.G - I understand why we don't follow England in not allowing our police force to carry firearms, but everyday it seems like more and more of a good idea. Phone Post 3.0
I'd probably take dodgy cops over being overrun by Muslims but that's just me. Phone Post 3.0
LOL Phone Post 3.0

I counter fight primarily.  I'm 40 and train at an MMA based, no gi heavy gym.  Lots of D1 and D2 wrestlers so I'm vert rarely the stronger player and I for sure have the worst cardio.  The key for me is the transitions and creating movement but without the effort.  What I mean is that if I'm simply defending a slow methodical pass or sweep they can see any of my attacks coming and pull out due to superior strength.  Similarly if I manage to end up with a dominant position and I'm attacking a more traditional style submission they can bide their time and explode out.  I need them to think they are winning long enough for me to snatch something and when I do I need to be ready with a follow up because that first attack will likely fail.  For example.  I play a seated butterfly against a monster wrestler that uses strong head pressure and forward drive.  He pushes for an underhook to flatten me and start a knee cut.  I accept going flat but instead of allowing a super deep underhook clamp hard on a inverted/telephone armbar.  Realizing he's in danger he shifts all his body weight over to the side of the arm in danger to take away the angle.  I know that that is his main option and switch my forearm under his neck like Marcelo does and follow him to that side with a strong butterfly sweep.    He's a beast of a wrestler so instead of accepting the sweep when his butt hits the mat he switches his hips and comes back up hard.  It's at that moments that that he is vunerable because he has had to react and isn't aware of eveything because things are happening too quickly.  As he powers back in I take a high elbow guillotine.  So instead of fighing tooth an nail to establish my game and try to pull a stronger man into my world I accepted going to my back, went first to one side and then tried to sweep to the other and then took a guillotine.  There are lots of these type of things and honestly a lot of them involve leg locks as well.  But as far as completely letting someone dominate you while they already have physical advantages that's a tough row to hoe.

MMOZ -
The Brotorious B.I.G - I understand why we don't follow England in not allowing our police force to carry firearms, but everyday it seems like more and more of a good idea. Phone Post 3.0
I'd probably take dodgy cops over being overrun by Muslims but that's just me. Phone Post 3.0
And thankfully not everyone is as stupid as you Phone Post 3.0

GloversFaultyMouthpiece - Stuff like this happens bc we no longer hire olive for competence. We hire based on who fits a demographic. Phone Post 3.0


We don't hire Greeks, Italians, and Spaniards anymore? Shit where's the NAAOCP when we need them?

Sandy Pantz -
GloversFaultyMouthpiece - Stuff like this happens bc we no longer hire olive for competence. We hire based on who fits a demographic. Phone Post 3.0


We don't hire Greeks, Italians, and Spaniards anymore? Shit where's the NAAOCP when we need them?

lol. My point was that when you selectively hire people not based on traits or characteristics relevant to the work; and instead, hire people because the department needed to hire an Asian make or a Hispanic female, for example, things like this will happen more frequently.

In reality, jobs like police officer should be exempt from gender equity and affirmative action guidelines. They should be completely anonymized and the best candidates should be hired regardless of gender or ethnicity. Phone Post 3.0

MMOZ -
The Brotorious B.I.G - I understand why we don't follow England in not allowing our police force to carry firearms, but everyday it seems like more and more of a good idea. Phone Post 3.0
I'd probably take dodgy cops over being overrun by Muslims but that's just me. Phone Post 3.0
This hardly qualifies as "dodgy". You've gone full retard my fren, and apparently so have 23 popo's.

Overrun by Muslims? Back it off a click or two there birther-boy. Phone Post 3.0

GloversFaultyMouthpiece - 
Sandy Pantz -
GloversFaultyMouthpiece - Stuff like this happens bc we no longer hire olive for competence. We hire based on who fits a demographic. Phone Post 3.0


We don't hire Greeks, Italians, and Spaniards anymore? Shit where's the NAAOCP when we need them?

lol. My point was that when you selectively hire people not based on traits or characteristics relevant to the work; and instead, hire people because the department needed to hire an Asian make or a Hispanic female, for example, things like this will happen more frequently.

In reality, jobs like police officer should be exempt from gender equity and affirmative action guidelines. They should be completely anonymized and the best candidates should be hired regardless of gender or ethnicity. Phone Post 3.0



Did it specify the racial makeup of the cops anywhere?  How do you know it wasn't 20 good ol' boys?

Molsonmuscle360 -
GloversFaultyMouthpiece - 
Sandy Pantz -
GloversFaultyMouthpiece - Stuff like this happens bc we no longer hire olive for competence. We hire based on who fits a demographic. Phone Post 3.0


We don't hire Greeks, Italians, and Spaniards anymore? Shit where's the NAAOCP when we need them?

lol. My point was that when you selectively hire people not based on traits or characteristics relevant to the work; and instead, hire people because the department needed to hire an Asian make or a Hispanic female, for example, things like this will happen more frequently.

In reality, jobs like police officer should be exempt from gender equity and affirmative action guidelines. They should be completely anonymized and the best candidates should be hired regardless of gender or ethnicity. Phone Post 3.0



Did it specify the racial makeup of the cops anywhere?  How do you know it wasn't 20 good ol' boys?


It very well may have been. I am not saying that white cops are better than non-white cops. What I am saying is that race or ethnicity should not be a factor in selecting the best possible candidates for these types of jobs. If you were in a real SHTF scenario, do you want the best possible person coming to help you, or a person who was hired strictly be demographic factors? Phone Post 3.0

sekundarburnes -
GloversFaultyMouthpiece - Stuff like this happens bc we no longer hire olive for competence. We hire based on who fits a demographic. Phone Post 3.0


what the hell are you talking about? what have 23 (probably white) cops swiss cheesing two unarmed men got to do with minority employment quotas in police departments

First- it is an assumption at this point that the cops involved were any specific race or gender.

Second- in LA, the police department hires people so that the population of the department is a reflection of he population of the community. This happens in most large departments nationwide at this point.

Hiring should be based on the quality of the applicant, not their gender or ethnicity. Try reading my posts from a place of rationale as opposed to responding emotionally. You will surely recognize what I am saying is truth. Phone Post 3.0

Here is an academic peer reviewed journal article about hiring based on quotas.

http://eml.berkeley.edu/~jmccrary/mccrary2007.pdf Phone Post 3.0

Happened in Miami and all 23 cops were WHITE??????

Not a chance in the world. Phone Post 3.0

sekundarburnes -
GloversFaultyMouthpiece - 
sekundarburnes -
GloversFaultyMouthpiece - Stuff like this happens bc we no longer hire olive for competence. We hire based on who fits a demographic. Phone Post 3.0


what the hell are you talking about? what have 23 (probably white) cops swiss cheesing two unarmed men got to do with minority employment quotas in police departments

First- it is an assumption at this point that the cops involved were any specific race or gender.

Second- in LA, the police department hires people so that the population of the department is a reflection of he population of the community. This happens in most large departments nationwide at this point.

Hiring should be based on the quality of the applicant, not their gender or ethnicity. Try reading my posts from a place of rationale as opposed to responding emotionally. You will surely recognize what I am saying is truth. Phone Post 3.0



yes but your complaint has nothing to do with what happened in the case or even the particulars around it. statistically speaking, miami pd is probably mostly white, or at least disproportionately so. how, then, can you blame affirmative action for the actions of 23 separate cops, most of whom were probably white? are you saying that maybe a black guy or a mexican started shooting first, and everyone else followed suit? come on, i'm as racist as the next guy, but what you're saying makes no sense.
This has nothing to do with racism. White , black, Hispanic, Asian, whatever those officers who were on scene were... What I am saying is that for many years, society has moved away from selection of personnel based on merit and has moved towards filling quotas. The odds are that when any of these officers applied for their jobs, there were equally deserving or more deserving people who happened not to fit the particular quota the department was seeking at the time who did not get that position.

OG pseudo intellectuals can turn this into whatever they want to, but this is NOT about race. That is the whole point of what I am saying here. Phone Post 3.0