They do not call it the No Fun League for nothing
As a soccer fan, I would say that anything short of ripping clothing and injuring your teammates is far too subtle.
For me it's all in how you celebrate. Anderson Silva's dance doesn't bother me. Tito's grave digging and bird flippin' does.
In short I guess it's a matter of respect. There's a difference between celebrating and taunting. It's ok to be happy because you win. To spit in the other guys face is a different thing. "Yay, I won!" vs "Yay, you suck and your mom's a whore!"
Dexter Morgan - Renzo Gracie stepped on a guy's head after a fight was officially over.I was told that the reason he did that was because the night before the fight the other camp kept calling Renzo's room and provoking him until he eventually un plugged the phone.
Zero class.
Thank you for the input people. I've gotten a little to think about here. If anyone would like to be more comprehensive in their explanation I'll be checking back to see your input.
Again, thank you.
I wish Fred Ettish would chime in. I would highly regard his opinion on this. I think I'm going to try to find him.
I've been on the losing end of things too many times to not have an appreciation of how bad it sucks to lose. And fans being fans love a winner and despise a loser. And they'll let the loser know it.
This probably has a lot to do with why I very much appreciate how fighters like Dean Lister handle themselves after a win. They go out of their way to show respect to their beaten opponents.
While I'm no Dean Lister, I have been in the position before where I've thoroughly fucked some guy up, and I took pains afterwards to show him respect for having the balls to get in there. I know he appreciated it, and I'm pretty sure his Dad standing out in the audience appreciated it.
You really shouldn't act like a stupid boy on the field with those low SAT dances.
Walter Peyton on why he didn't do end zone celebrations:
"I liked to act like I'd been there before."
I think offensive behaviour before an event is far worse than victory celebrations afterwards.
Its odd that a guy can act like a total dick and say whatever the hell he wants, but then after losing, the winner should shake his hand and/or hug and leave it at that.
yeah, i hate when someone is considered a dick after a fight because he doesn't want to "bring it in", no matter how much trash went on for months before the fight.
Anyone who gets offended by a football player celebrating in the end zone is a pussy.
HYBRID JON - Because pussies can sympathize more with a loser than a winner, as long as you arent directly disrespecting your opponent or your sport there shouldnt be a problem with it. People need to grow thicker skins these days.
Well said...i agree!
JoeHurley - Because in the NFL it evolves into the team going out and doing a choreographed broadway dance number after getting a routine tackle or some joker shuffling and jitterbugging around while the rest of the guys link arms and do the can-can behind him like some vegas showgirls after a 1st down.Plus as stated earlier, it will lead to fights and you don't need two teams of 50 professional athletes and 2 kickers to be out there brawling uncontrollably.Nobody said you they can't celebrate. The key word is EXCESSIVE celebration.
i hate football i swear to god though if they did this in the nfl i would be a fan.Im also a huge fan of rashad/mayhem/king mo etc... antics.people get all bent out of shape but i think its great when people gloat, much lulz to be had.
Tough question to answer. I agree w/some of the above posters who say it depends mostly on the type of celebration. Of course the victor should be happy that all of his/her training, sacrifice hard work, blood, sweat and tears resulted in victory. He/she has earned the right to celebrate if they like, and most do so in their own way.
I know I am an old, out dated, obsolete person, but to me, it is entirely about respect or lack of respect to the fallen opponent. Having lost and knowing how it feels to be treated w/0 respect, ridiculed, made fun of, it could be that I am hypersensitive to this issue, too. I TRY in all things to consider how I would feel if the shoe were on the other foot. Is what I am about to say or do something that I could accept w/o embarrassment or hard feelings if it were directed @ me? Will I look back on it later and regret having said or done it? I would think this rule would apply to any victory celebration. You expect that if the other person wins, he/she will celebrate, but hopefully not in a way that makes you feel worse than you already do.
I also think that analogies to other sports aren't quite appropriate. To me, other sports are games, whereas martial arts and mixed martial arts are much more than that. Again, I am kind of the guy that time left behind in that I think that in the true spirit of Martial Arts, the ART portion should be emphasized along w/the martial. I could get into the whole spirit of Budo, etc., but most people will not agree w/me because this is America, modern times, a sport, etc.
The old Golden Rule, pretty much sums it up, I guess. One also has to (in my humble opinion) consider the example he/she is setting to those younger, less experienced, etc. who are watching.
Just my $.02, FWIW
Respectfully:
Fred
^^^^well said Fred you have got it 100% right and You are way to classy for this place Fred.
Thank you Fred for your thoughtful response. I really appreciate your input.
Ethan~
NJstileNJ -HYBRID JON - Because pussies can sympathize more with a loser than a winner, as long as you arent directly disrespecting your opponent or your sport there shouldnt be a problem with it. People need to grow thicker skins these days.
Exactly
how thick will it need to get?, its more about having controll over 1's self.have any of you wrestled?
I am going to have to start celebrating my wins like a dignified gentleman to exhibit some amount of class which will show my opponent the respect that they deserve and that I would want for myself if I were to lose. In doing so I will represent the sport better. No more victory humping of the air enthralled in orgasmic delight over my win which is just a win and not some epic event. For now on I will do my best to maintain my composure in victory in an effort to project some amount of coolness.
Thank you to everyone for your input.
Here is the fight in question at Extreme Challenge 85, feel free to skip to the last 15 seconds of the fight. I really thought the crowd might think the fight was boring so I was thinking I would give them something to remember it by. It was not received well by many.
lol... That dance would have only been better had your ripped off your shorts and been wearing a banana bag underneath.
should be allowed to celebrate to any degree that doesn't disrespect opponent (or anyone) and doesn't unnecessarily delay anything.
emotions are for women. don't run around acting like you are surprised to win.
Walter Peyton on why he didn't do end zone celebrations:
"I liked to act like I'd been there before."
eggsackly.