Who takes it? @ 185lbs
ICEMAN is the goat for his accomplishments at middleweight tourneys in Pride, and @ 205 in the UFC.
but Styles make fights, and I think Diaz would out box him, and with a lot more volume. Iceman's wrestling would be nulified by Diaz BJJ.
Not sure ICEMAN could knock out Nick. Well he could, just dont think it would be likely.
Prime Chuck is a horrible match for Nick. It isn't going to the ground and his chin hasn't been been checked yet. It ends early and violent. 
Iceman would definelty knock out Diaz.
Chuck is well rounded won't get tapped out or blow his wad. He's not going to tagged up like he did against BJ Penn because he's a more experienced striker. Chuck is a LHW with vicious power that Nick hasn't been hit by at WW. Nick Diaz get hit and caught by shots.
JBax1991 - Prime Chuck is a horrible match for Nick. It isn't going to the ground and his chin hasn't been been checked yet. It ends early and violent.
So the DIaz granit chin would crumble quick and early? From ICEMAN's power?
I dunno man, he surivied lawler, and KO'ed lawler.
I was watching a highlight real(no real info there but) just seeing iceman's punching style. I think it's a great setup for someone who throws accurate volume with good hands, and has a granite chin. Cuz chuck swings so open and wild, looping, overhands, leaves his hands out etc. I mean he just didn't give a fuck but he won.
Let's say they nullify each others' striking, and it ends up on the ground what happens then?
Look I know Joe Silva is leaving but if I was hired to replace him, this is the fight I would make. /s
borked -I think so. Chuck was one big son of a bitch that you didn't take down.JBax1991 - Prime Chuck is a horrible match for Nick. It isn't going to the ground and his chin hasn't been been checked yet. It ends early and violent.So the DIaz granit chin would crumble quick and early? From ICEMAN's power?
I dunno man, he surivied lawler, and KO'ed lawler.
I was watching a highlight real(no real info there but) just seeing iceman's punching style. I think it's a great setup for someone who throws accurate volume with good hands, and has a granite chin. Cuz chuck swings so open and wild, looping, overhands, leaves his hands out etc. I mean he just didn't give a fuck but he won.
Let's say they nullify each others' striking, and it ends up on the ground what happens then?
Look I know Joe Silva is leaving but if I was hired to replace him, this is the fight I would make. /s
jitsnbeer -Iceman would definelty knock out Diaz.
Chuck is well rounded won't get tapped out or blow his wad. He's not going to tagged up like he did against BJ Penn because he's a more experienced striker. Chuck is a LHW with vicious power that Nick hasn't been hit by at WW. Nick Diaz get hit and caught by shots.
Im confused I don't remember Liddell fighting Penn?
I think Paul Daley could knock out anyone, same as Liddell.
It's accuracy and timing not all just weight and strength(all though yes that has something to do with it.)
Oh and fun story, My boss from 2006 was a huge MMA fan with me, huge chuck fan. He took his family (wife and kids) out to see him train in San Luis Obispo or something anyways. Few months later he's checking his wife's phone and she's been fucking Chuck. Divorce was pretty quick, very surreal. Cause I felt bad for my boss but I also wanted autographs and stuff.
Prime Liddell easily IMO. TDD was way too good for Diaz to use his BJJ and prime Chuck walks through anything Diaz has in his hands.
Diaz has a great chin but so did Couture, Ortiz and Horn. Chuck was the first to even knock Horn down and he was about 60 or 70 fights into his career, also Couture took the best of Rizzo but Chuck dropped him flush and basketballed his head off the canvas. I think Chucks power and angles is too much and he gets a 2nd or 3rd round KO or TKO.
borked -JBax1991 - Prime Chuck is a horrible match for Nick. It isn't going to the ground and his chin hasn't been been checked yet. It ends early and violent.So the DIaz granit chin would crumble quick and early? From ICEMAN's power?
I dunno man, he surivied lawler, and KO'ed lawler.
I was watching a highlight real(no real info there but) just seeing iceman's punching style. I think it's a great setup for someone who throws accurate volume with good hands, and has a granite chin. Cuz chuck swings so open and wild, looping, overhands, leaves his hands out etc. I mean he just didn't give a fuck but he won.
Let's say they nullify each others' striking, and it ends up on the ground what happens then?
Look I know Joe Silva is leaving but if I was hired to replace him, this is the fight I would make. /s
Iceman has better knowledge on shot selection and traps to knock mofos out.
newtotheinterweb - Prime Liddell easily IMO. TDD was way too good for Diaz to use his BJJ and prime Chuck walks through anything Diaz has in his hands.
Diaz has a great chin but so did Couture, Ortiz and Horn. Chuck was the first to even knock Horn down and he was about 60 or 70 fights into his career, also Couture took the best of Rizzo but Chuck dropped him flush and basketballed his head off the canvas. I think Chucks power and angles is too much and he gets a 2nd or 3rd round KO or TKO.
I was saying Diaz isn't going to overwhelm and break Liddell like he didn against BJ Penn
newtotheinterweb - Prime Liddell easily IMO. TDD was way too good for Diaz to use his BJJ and prime Chuck walks through anything Diaz has in his hands.
Diaz has a great chin but so did Couture, Ortiz and Horn. Chuck was the first to even knock Horn down and he was about 60 or 70 fights into his career, also Couture took the best of Rizzo but Chuck dropped him flush and basketballed his head off the canvas. I think Chucks power and angles is too much and he gets a 2nd or 3rd round KO or TKO.
Interesting, I wonder what made him such a viscious KO artists, I would say accuracy. Cause he looks like a wild swinging gorilla out there with no form but he finds chins and noses and eyes everytime.
BUT
He never protected his own chin. So while Iceman is loading up for overhand rights or at best doing 3 or 4 combos Nick is doing 8 and probably doubling him in strikes landed.
*note I did not say signifact strikes on purpose.
I wasn't actually thinking about Nick taking Chuck down, never even entered my mind, it was always nicks BJJ off his back cuz Chuck shot after an exchange. I think he puts Chuck in trouble there.
borked -Lol, so deep, poor guyjitsnbeer -Iceman would definelty knock out Diaz.
Chuck is well rounded won't get tapped out or blow his wad. He's not going to tagged up like he did against BJ Penn because he's a more experienced striker. Chuck is a LHW with vicious power that Nick hasn't been hit by at WW. Nick Diaz get hit and caught by shots.
Im confused I don't remember Liddell fighting Penn?
I think Paul Daley could knock out anyone, same as Liddell.
It's accuracy and timing not all just weight and strength(all though yes that has something to do with it.)
Oh and fun story, My boss from 2006 was a huge MMA fan with me, huge chuck fan. He took his family (wife and kids) out to see him train in San Luis Obispo or something anyways. Few months later he's checking his wife's phone and she's been fucking Chuck. Divorce was pretty quick, very surreal. Cause I felt bad for my boss but I also wanted autographs and stuff.
JBax1991 - Prime Chuck is a horrible match for Nick. It isn't going to the ground and his chin hasn't been been checked yet. It ends early and violent.
Welp I looked at the film and you're right.
OP no offense but you have to be mentally retarded to mention chuck as the goat at lhw specially in affiliation with the Pride GP where he showed he was not the best. chuck at no point in his career has proved to be the best lhw. In fact Pride was the Major leagues at lhw/mw/hw and the UFC was minors. Chuck failed to become the best.
as for Diaz? he's overrated to. Hasn't fought in forever and just stylistically Chuck would murder Diaz.
Very bad thread & very horrible MMA knowledge.
borked -newtotheinterweb - Prime Liddell easily IMO. TDD was way too good for Diaz to use his BJJ and prime Chuck walks through anything Diaz has in his hands.
Diaz has a great chin but so did Couture, Ortiz and Horn. Chuck was the first to even knock Horn down and he was about 60 or 70 fights into his career, also Couture took the best of Rizzo but Chuck dropped him flush and basketballed his head off the canvas. I think Chucks power and angles is too much and he gets a 2nd or 3rd round KO or TKO.Interesting, I wonder what made him such a viscious KO artists, I would say accuracy. Cause he looks like a wild swinging gorilla out there with no form but he finds chins and noses and eyes everytime.
BUT
He never protected his own chin. So while Iceman is loading up for overhand rights or at best doing 3 or 4 combos Nick is doing 8 and probably doubling him in strikes landed.
*note I did not say signifact strikes on purpose.
I wasn't actually thinking about Nick taking Chuck down, never even entered my mind, it was always nicks BJJ off his back cuz Chuck shot after an exchange. I think he puts Chuck in trouble there.
Chuck catches people from awkward angles. Outside of Robbie, years ago, Diaz hasn't knocked out anyone tough. Most of the TKO Diaz gets are from drowning people with punches. Chuck won't drown. Also, Diaz is open for shots, Chuck was take one to land one type of fighter who did that because he knew he had more power at the other end.
Diaz would try to put volume on Chuck, until Chuck steps in and clips Diaz. But Diaz would be too smart for that and it would probably be a one sided fight like the Silva fight where Chuck dominates Diaz.
Cool chuck interview
Acidic -OP no offense but you have to be mentally retarded to mention chuck as the goat at lhw specially in affiliation with the Pride GP where he showed he was not the best. chuck at no point in his career has proved to be the best lhw. In fact Pride was the Major leagues at lhw/mw/hw and the UFC was minors. Chuck failed to become the best.
as for Diaz? he's overrated to. Hasn't fought in forever and just stylistically Chuck would murder Diaz.
Very bad thread & very horrible MMA knowledge.
what the fuck are you talking about?
So for MMA math sake, does Prime Diaz beat Prime Franklin?
borked -Acidic -OP no offense but you have to be mentally retarded to mention chuck as the goat at lhw specially in affiliation with the Pride GP where he showed he was not the best. chuck at no point in his career has proved to be the best lhw. In fact Pride was the Major leagues at lhw/mw/hw and the UFC was minors. Chuck failed to become the best.
as for Diaz? he's overrated to. Hasn't fought in forever and just stylistically Chuck would murder Diaz.
Very bad thread & very horrible MMA knowledge.
what the fuck are you talking about?
Iceman the goat?
Icemans accomplishments at the Pride GP? lol
Iceman losing to Diaz?
Diazs credentials at 185?
i can go on about the stupidity but you're probably on some good shit.
jitsnbeer -Agreednewtotheinterweb - Prime Liddell easily IMO. TDD was way too good for Diaz to use his BJJ and prime Chuck walks through anything Diaz has in his hands.
Diaz has a great chin but so did Couture, Ortiz and Horn. Chuck was the first to even knock Horn down and he was about 60 or 70 fights into his career, also Couture took the best of Rizzo but Chuck dropped him flush and basketballed his head off the canvas. I think Chucks power and angles is too much and he gets a 2nd or 3rd round KO or TKO.I was saying Diaz isn't going to overwhelm and break Liddell like he didn against BJ Penn
Acidic -borked -Acidic -OP no offense but you have to be mentally retarded to mention chuck as the goat at lhw specially in affiliation with the Pride GP where he showed he was not the best. chuck at no point in his career has proved to be the best lhw. In fact Pride was the Major leagues at lhw/mw/hw and the UFC was minors. Chuck failed to become the best.
as for Diaz? he's overrated to. Hasn't fought in forever and just stylistically Chuck would murder Diaz.
Very bad thread & very horrible MMA knowledge.
what the fuck are you talking about?
Iceman the goat?
Icemans accomplishments at the Pride GP? lol
Iceman losing to Diaz?
Diazs credentials at 185?
i can go on about the stupidity but you're probably on some good shit.
Yea I am man, this is a flippin discussion forum. What else do we do during off times but speculate. If everyone was just rigid and only talks about facts and only the upcoming matchmaking determined by a corporate employee it would massively suck MORE around here.
You can't deny Chuck had a pretty successful outing in pride and it was UFC trying to show Pride they had the higher calibre fighters. Which I doubt they would risk again(no sense from a revenue stand point).
But that's what I love about MMA, nothing is predetermined. MM could knock out Stipe, is it 1000:1 odds? sure but it can still happen.