Putin's positive relationship with Muslims.

So the terrorist attacks had me wondering how Russia views Muslims as a religion.

This is what Wikipedia told me:

- Second biggest religion in Russia.

- Putin has said that Orthodox Christianity is much closer to Islam than to Catholicism.

- Putin is believed to have backed protests by Muslims in Russia against Charlie Hebdo cartoons and the west.

- Putin has allowed the de facto implementation of Sharia law in Chechnya by Ramzan Kadyrov, including polygamy and veil

- A chain e-mail spread a hoax speech attributed to Putin which called for tough assimilation policies on immigrants, no evidence of any such speech can be found in Russian media or Duma archives.

- Islam has been expanding under Putin's rule. Tatar Muslims are engaging in a revival.

What do you guys think of this?

The OG narritive is Putin is a christian warrior holding Muslims at bay.

 

Now we here he may be arming the talaban , let muslims implement shiaria law...

Very little is true. That said, one of his key advisors is Muslim and heads most of his policy building with the former Soviet satellites. I was lucky to have coffee with hom a few years back and discuss quite a bit. It was pretty eye opening.

okiebug - Very little is true. That said, one of his key advisors is Muslim and heads most of his policy building with the former Soviet satellites. I was lucky to have coffee with hom a few years back and discuss quite a bit. It was pretty eye opening.

Go on

Sprawl'n'Stall -
okiebug - Very little is true. That said, one of his key advisors is Muslim and heads most of his policy building with the former Soviet satellites. I was lucky to have coffee with hom a few years back and discuss quite a bit. It was pretty eye opening.

Go on
I don't want to say too much about the conversation because the guy had reporters following him for most of the time but when we talked it was just me and a friend who translated and his body guards. He apparently still had a price on his head from the whole theater hostage thing. He's the one who headed that from the Russian government side.

He basically said he believes the Muslim population needed to be reformed and educated to be tolerant. He talked about thier plan to do it.

okiebug - Very little is true. That said, one of his key advisors is Muslim and heads most of his policy building with the former Soviet satellites. I was lucky to have coffee with hom a few years back and discuss quite a bit. It was pretty eye opening.
What isn't true out of curiosity?

Do you have any idea how much Putin bombed the caucus region (Chechnya, Dagestan, etc) into Bolivia when the Muslim extremists were attacking Moscow? He's the only modern world leader to have gotten the "muslim problem" under relative control.

okiebug - 
Sprawl'n'Stall -
okiebug - Very little is true. That said, one of his key advisors is Muslim and heads most of his policy building with the former Soviet satellites. I was lucky to have coffee with hom a few years back and discuss quite a bit. It was pretty eye opening.

Go on
I don't want to say too much about the conversation because the guy had reporters following him for most of the time but when we talked it was just me and a friend who translated and his body guards. He apparently still had a price on his head from the whole theater hostage thing. He's the one who headed that from the Russian government side.

He basically said he believes the Muslim population needed to be reformed and educated to be tolerant. He talked about thier plan to do it.

And the plan was?

Putin doesn't really have an ideology outside of Russian imperialism. Historically, Russian imperialism has meant extending into Muslim territory in the Caucasus and Central Asia. While Russia has not always had a cozy relationship with those peoples, they are still a part of the "empire."

Islamism also is helpful as a way of pushing back against the West. For example, whenever there is a push on the international level for blasphemy laws, it is usually the Muslim countries and Russia who are supporting it. Some of the most aggressive pushers of the "gay propaganda laws", after the Orthodox Church, have been Islamists.

Then there is Kadyrov.

MarcusAurelioFan -
okiebug - Very little is true. That said, one of his key advisors is Muslim and heads most of his policy building with the former Soviet satellites. I was lucky to have coffee with hom a few years back and discuss quite a bit. It was pretty eye opening.
What isn't true out of curiosity?
I don't think he backed anti hebdo cartoon radicals or believes there is some sort of commonality between the Russian Church and Islam. He has actually halted the building of mosques in many areas of Russia. I think that bullet list makes him appear more pro Muslim than he is. The Chetchnyan problem is complex. The leader there is actually pretty moderate but does a pretty good job of keeping a lid on things. The guy is a little nutty and his tactics may seem extreme but on the other hand most westerners have no idea what he's dealing with.

ringworm -
okiebug - 
Sprawl'n'Stall -
okiebug - Very little is true. That said, one of his key advisors is Muslim and heads most of his policy building with the former Soviet satellites. I was lucky to have coffee with hom a few years back and discuss quite a bit. It was pretty eye opening.

Go on
I don't want to say too much about the conversation because the guy had reporters following him for most of the time but when we talked it was just me and a friend who translated and his body guards. He apparently still had a price on his head from the whole theater hostage thing. He's the one who headed that from the Russian government side.

He basically said he believes the Muslim population needed to be reformed and educated to be tolerant. He talked about thier plan to do it.

And the plan was?
Had allot to do with targeted areas and school curriculum and such. I will say they see the long game. Americans want results in 4 years or less. This guy was talking generations.

Pumpkin Spice Jesus -

The idea that the EO Church is closer to Islam than Catholicism is a slap in the face. I guess culturally he has a point, and EOs still engage in prostration during prayer more so than Catholics, etc.

The EO and Catholic Churches were a single entity at one point though, which is hard to overlook...

Yeah, I'd want to know the context. Geography, proximity, certain practices?

okiebug -
Pumpkin Spice Jesus -

The idea that the EO Church is closer to Islam than Catholicism is a slap in the face. I guess culturally he has a point, and EOs still engage in prostration during prayer more so than Catholics, etc.

The EO and Catholic Churches were a single entity at one point though, which is hard to overlook...

Yeah, I'd want to know the context. Geography, proximity, certain practices?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqyVYtWB894

The "some theorists" in question probably refers to the Eurasianists that say that Russia is more properly part of a Slavo-Turkic Central Asian civilization than a European one.

This is the guy btw.

https://web.archive.org/web/20041101170930/http://president.kremlin.ru:80/eng/subj/53050.shtml

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Stalin armed the arabs against Israel and the west. Wouldn't put it past Vlad to have it in his back pocket to do the same if shit goes down

Putin (as director of the FSB and as PM) was well on his way to savagely smashing and exterminating the muslims in Russia thoughout the chech slav and stans, but it was the US and the EU who fucking intervened and stopped him. Look at how the US and the EU are continuing to this day with the promotion and importation of muslims at the expense of our own citizens and at the expense of Christians. Nothing has changed. It's just that people can't see what's going on right in front of their faces.

ThatsHowIRoll -

Stalin armed the arabs against Israel and the west. Wouldn't put it past Vlad to have it in his back pocket to do the same if shit goes down

Initially, USSR was the first country to recognize Israel. The six day war was fought with all the Soviet weapons.

Initially, US was not an ally with Israel. Only years later the roles reversed.

ringworm -
okiebug - 
Sprawl'n'Stall -
okiebug - Very little is true. That said, one of his key advisors is Muslim and heads most of his policy building with the former Soviet satellites. I was lucky to have coffee with hom a few years back and discuss quite a bit. It was pretty eye opening.

Go on
I don't want to say too much about the conversation because the guy had reporters following him for most of the time but when we talked it was just me and a friend who translated and his body guards. He apparently still had a price on his head from the whole theater hostage thing. He's the one who headed that from the Russian government side.

He basically said he believes the Muslim population needed to be reformed and educated to be tolerant. He talked about thier plan to do it.

And the plan was?
Kill them all and let the God sort them out?

fanat -
ThatsHowIRoll -

Stalin armed the arabs against Israel and the west. Wouldn't put it past Vlad to have it in his back pocket to do the same if shit goes down

Initially, USSR was the first country to recognize Israel. The six day war was fought with all the Soviet weapons.

Initially, US was not an ally with Israel. Only years later the roles reversed.

Initially, both the US and USSR supported Israel, though it isn't that straightforward. Israel was a Socialist country at the time, then the turning point for the Soviets was the Suez Crisis of 1956 when Israel sided with Britain and France.

Then America started supporting Israel a lot more after they intervened to support Jordan from a Syrian intervention during Black September. Jordan was a US ally while Syria was a Soviet ally. That event made it clear where Israel stood in the Cold War.

By 1967, the USSR was already firmly anti-Israel. The war saw an increase in official Communist antisemitism, including Poland expelling a lot of what was left of its Jewish community.