Question is.... what if a KO had occurred from the illegal blow? Would Lesnar have been DQ'd? If so then maybe the point deduction was in his favor?
i don't understand why he wasn't just warned
seems out of line to deduct a point for the 1st infraction
like i posted on another thread, i think he was going to stop it, realized he fucked up and had to think fast
honestly, i like how mazz did it with such authority...didnt look at all like he was questioning himself... he's a good ref.. it was just a crazy situation in there for that first minute
I don't blame the ref because things like that happen quickly, but Brock did get unlucky there, and it probably meant a different outcome. Plenty would have let that blow go with a verbal warning and no stoppage at all.
it didnt effect the outcome cause 3 seconds after the restart they were in the exact same position again
"like i posted on another thread, i think he was going to stop it, realized he fucked up and had to think fast "
That is what I thought as well.
BUFFGEO and MC5 are likely correct. He was moving in to stop the fight and then he noticed that some of those strikes were illegal. He used the point deduction as a way to give Mir a little bit of a break once he realized that.
Count me in on the Mazz was going to stop the fight theory.
That's the first thing I thought of when I saw it happen. He was going to stop it and Mir threw a punch right when he walked up, so he figured "Ah fuck I can't stop it now... um, did he hit your head? Point for back of the head!"
I also believe in the theory that he stopped for point deduction because a Brock punch to the back of the head could be deadly (compared to people who are mentioning that X fighter did the same thing, most likely a fighter who is 155, 170, or even 185 and doesn't hit as hard as Brock can/was). Mazz just stopped it right there because another one could have been brutal.
Either make sense, but I'm leaning towards the fight stoppage fuckup honestly. And for the record, I wanted Mir to win the whole time. Just calling it as I saw it.
Hey Noob, learn the rules before talking about what you don't know.
From: jaydub
Date: 02/04/08 01:38 PM
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I brought up this issue with Hughes/Gracie fight.
If you look closely at the rules, the rule doesn't state you cannot hit in the back of the head, you just cannot hit within an inch of either side of the spine line.
This was a bs call.
Read it yourself from NSAC.
http://boxing.nv.gov/aspnet_client/docs/MMA%20RULES%20Expained.pdf
"9.Striking to the spine or the back of the head. No direct striking attacks are allowed to the spine or the back of the head. A direct strike is an aimed and executed attack to the area. The back of the head is considered the direct center of the head with 1' inch of tolerance to either side."
I don't know that the stache was going to stop the fight but I agree w/ the restart because one is unfortunate and I may have let that go due to it being an accident. Two well I gotta speak up and give the restart. W/ Brocks strength that's a very dangerous position for anyone. I would've warned him again and restarted them on the feet and if there was a next time deducted the point. If one of those strikes had ended the fight, DQ. Didn't matter anyway nor did Maz help Mir in any fashion that he didn't deserve. That being said good for Mir and Brock size and aggressiveness will create some interesting match ups no doubt.
^^^^ A hammerfist to the back of the head is a DIRECT HIT to the back of the head. Thanks of posting the rule and making your own post look stupid. Ref's don't have slow motion or instant replay. Lensar was striking to the back of the head, Mazzagatti saw it and stepped in. That's what he's supposed to do. Nothing you say or whine about changes the fact that Mazzagatti followed the rules.
The answer is if the referee determines that the foul was "intentional" or "un-intentional."
I will go on if need be but,the answer is a long one.
So if you are getting Ground and pounded into oblivion you just turn your back to get him to hit you in the back of the head and get a time out and a restart?
If you give up your back an experienced fighter WILL TAKE IT, not keep hitting you in the back of the head. Great point. Brock wasn't in control of his striking, even more of a reason for Mazzagatti to stop the action and check on Mir.
Thanks RVD!
Ok, so from now on I expect nothing less then a stoppage and a point taken away, at the very instance a foul commences, right? As soon as someone grabs the fence = break and point taken away, if theres an elbow that gets away and is thrown in an illegal way = stand up and point taken away, if theres an accidental knee that lands low while in the clinch = break'em up and point taken away. If Mazagatti is setting this standard then I expect the rest of the refs to react in the same manner. CORRECT???? Because there is NO room for warnings anymore!!! Thats the impression Im getting.
The point being taken away DOESNT MATTER. It didnt affect the outcome! If it went to a decision, then it would be something to argue about... Either way, he needed to stop the action and check on Mir for the illegal blows to the back of the head...
No , it didnt matter because it didnt go to decision but what if he did. I honestly CANT remember how many fights Ive seen when someone is flattened out on his belly and the man on top is just teeing off on the sides of his head with plenty of punches slipping through and catching the back of the head. The same can be said from full mount, from side mount, downward elbows, etc. Why are you acting like youve never seen something like this before???? What happens in all those situations? Either a warning or the ref stops the fight. Ive never seen a ref make that call. Just to show you how rattled Mazagatti was, he stopped the action AND the idiot took a point away. That right there shows that he panicked and had no idea what he was doing. His head was up his ass and he choked on his own shit.
Continued from my previous post...
I have no idea why it say that 2 points are deducted.I found the info here but I knew the answer and didn`t feel like typing all of it.
http://www.ringsidebygus.com/mma-rules.html
RVD: YES you are supposed to stop hitting him if he moves his head. Brock was hitting him, Mir turned his head, Brock hit him and it hit the back of Mir's head. Brock then hit him AGAIN in the back of the head.. The first blow was not intentional and the second WAS. Mazzagatti saw it and stepped in. He did what he was supposed to.
The stache is a douche. BTW. What the hell is it about the back of the head tat is so dangerous? It seems like it is worse to get hit in the front of the head (face). ???