My question is how do you finish the squeeze?
With the lion killer style of RNC, I find that I finish most often and with the least amount of effort when I push my elbows together while applying the choke.
When I goto my palm to palm style of attack, I find myself driving my "non-choking" arm behind their back until my elbow is in line with their spine. Like I'm trying to force my elbows together. I have to work quite a bit harder to finish this style.
Am I applying the proper leverage in this case? I've never really looked too hard into this style of RNC, because I've always preferred the lion killer (who doesn't), but I find myself delving deeper into techniques that I don't use as often these last few months. 
Hmmm, maybe I'm not thinking about it enough or I'm just tired. What belt are you? I don't do the palm to palm variant(i refer to it as the ghetto choke) too much but I feel like I do the same thing for both versions. With lion killer version I get a naturally very snug grip and just constrict with my whole body. I really don't focus on my elbows as u describe.The guy should be feeling the choke and the need to tap with just one arm in place ...as long as it is in well and snug. I've choked people unconscious with one arm. The second arm or grip variation is really just for security to prevent the opponents escape and even further tightening. Its kind of irrelevant which version u do because I feel both versions are finished the same way as long as the first arm is in technically well and snug. Maybe I'm tired and not thinking straight but yeah I feel I do the same for both. Snug first arm and the grip sort of becomes "irrelevant" because you squeeze the same way 
I just use my elbow behind their back to push forward and I usually get the tap
TheBearStare - Hmmm, maybe I'm not thinking about it enough or I'm just tired. What belt are you? I don't do the palm to palm variant(i refer to it as the ghetto choke) too much but I feel like I do the same thing for both versions. With lion killer version I get a naturally very snug grip and just constrict with my whole body. I really don't focus on my elbows as u describe.The guy should be feeling the choke and the need to tap with just one arm in place ...as long as it is in well and snug. I've choked people unconscious with one arm. The second arm or grip variation is really just for security to prevent the opponents escape and even further tightening. Its kind of irrelevant which version u do because I feel both versions are finished the same way as long as the first arm is in technically well and snug. Maybe I'm tired and not thinking straight but yeah I feel I do the same for both. Snug first arm and the grip sort of becomes "irrelevant" because you squeeze the same wayBlue belt.
I apply everything tightly, as you describe on the lion killer. I understand what you're saying. The elbows tend to be the very last thing I do...just to tighten up that hole I've caught their neck in a little more.
Ghetto choke is a funny name for it. I've always had crowbar choke in my head...same idea...haha.
Cool, I'm very interested in this topic!
FWIW, this is how I do it:
If I'm choking with my right arm, I like the choke to be a-symmetrical; I am pulling my opponent to my right side, so that my right elbow is NOT directly in front of my sternum.
I use the right side of my head to push my opponent into the "V" of my right arm.
To finish the choke, I bring my right hand and right shoulder towards each-other, while maintaining forward pressure with my head. (Sometimes I will do a little "scooping" action with my right wrist).
Very simple. It works, but I don't feel like I have deep understanding of this choke. I definitely would like to hear from forum members who are more "expert" at this particular choke. I'm curious how they do it.
Purple belt chiming in...the arm that isn't around the neck is my golden ticket here. I use a palm up Gable grip & my aim is to align my forearm parallel with the spine. I "suck up" the head & neck with my squeeze, with my head resting against my opponents head & my chest against their back. I hit this with the hooks in, my instep on the top of the glutes, or my shins & top of my feet against their back. It may actually be beneficial for me because of my stature.....I'm 5'5" I actually hit this version more than the standard rnc.
Thanks everyone. I appreciate all the input.
I use what they call the serving a plate technique. My left arm comes in front of the neck while my right arm comes behind the shoulder blade and lock palm to palm. The key I use is puffing my chest when I squeeze. By doing this the choke gets tighter and u don't fatigue your arms
Always staying ear to ear
Muzalini - I just use my elbow behind their back to push forward and I usually get the tap
this. You also stay ear to ear and turn your palm grip as if you were prying off a jar lid. So your top knuckles will turn to the inside. And you do a small pull w the wrists at a angle and you can get the tap. I use it as a combo with the mata leo.
Letsgo2war - when I go palm to palm, I use the inside of the forearm to apply pressure to the front of the throat
well if you do that you are attacking the windpipe and its not a true choke per say. Mind you it works, it just isn't a full on choke vs a choke w additional pain compliance.
^......air choke vs blood choke
I'll take either
Ttt
Hunter V -Works for me. :)Letsgo2war - when I go palm to palm, I use the inside of the forearm to apply pressure to the front of the throat
well if you do that you are attacking the windpipe and its not a true choke per say. Mind you it works, it just isn't a full on choke vs a choke w additional pain compliance.
That's pretty much how I do palm-to-palm RNCs as well. I use the forearm, like some sort of reverse guillotine.
I find that if I can get my forearm all the way around so that my elbow is pointing in the same direction as his chin straight out from his sternum, then I don't have a reason to go palm-to-palm. In that scenario, I just opt for the traditional hold.
Marcelo Garcia does a great job of explaining this choke on his site mginaction.com. I recommend taking a look at one of his videos regarding it. He refers to it as a "straight choke"
My good friend Daniel Sarafian showed me this choke a couple of years ago. He referred to it as "choke the goose", and used in one of his UFC Brazil wins very effectively. His advise was to always remain ear to ear, blow out the chest like "Superman", and pry the elbow into the back to reserve strength. One of my favorite when the guy fights the traditional RNC.
Lots of good ides on this thread, I also do as Shen and drive my choking hand towards my shoulder which closes the space. One thing I also do it using my legs to push downwards on their hips, I find by pushing down on their hips I can get the choke without as much squeeze from my arms.
shen -
Cool, I'm very interested in this topic!
FWIW, this is how I do it:
If I'm choking with my right arm, I like the choke to be a-symmetrical; I am pulling my opponent to my right side, so that my right elbow is NOT directly in front of my sternum.
I use the right side of my head to push my opponent into the "V" of my right arm.
To finish the choke, I bring my right hand and right shoulder towards each-other, while maintaining forward pressure with my head. (Sometimes I will do a little "scooping" action with my right wrist).
Very simple. It works, but I don't feel like I have deep understanding of this choke. I definitely would like to hear from forum members who are more "expert" at this particular choke. I'm curious how they do it.
Hey Shen,
I kind of do the same thing only with 2 other things.
1) I use my rear arm to help pull my choking hand back. This helps to tighten everything. I saw this in a Stephan Kesting video.
2) I use a Small Circle wrist action. Meaning once I have my choking wrist against their neck I bend my wrist into the carotid. As I do this I pull my right arm into their neck and drive forward with my shoulder like you do.
My uncle Wally Jay was very good at this choke. I use the modern BJJ hand and arm position like you do, I just add the wrist action and forward shoulder pressure from Small Circle.
^ Thank you!
By "scooping action" I'm actually referring to a Small Circle-type wrist action (basically, adducting the wrist).
But these BJJ guys aren't always hip to the Small Circle and I didn't want to scare any of them.
;)
lol, sounds good shen. = )