I know there is going to be disagreement here, but Arona was not knocked out from the slam, but was ko'ed from Rampage's head slamming into his from the impact.
Before the collusion of the heads, Arona was still bracing from the slam.
The impact was so strong from the collusion, Rampage needed between 30-40 stitches after the fight.
You just know there is going to be an appeal from BTT as you could see them pissed walking away from the ring.
It will not get overturned, but it had more of recourse then the incidental headbutts in the Sak/Nino 1, Hendo/Busta fights.
as well as the Saku Nino fight, the Silva Mezger fight, the Tanner Tito fight, etc. etc. etc.
Arona made a mistake, he paid for it.
Actually, as soon as his head hit the mat his arms and legs went slack. The headbutt didn't help, but that slam would have done Arona in either way.
sadyv is correct. The slam ko'd him, not the accidental headbutt
I wish I saw the bloody show!!!
I think the slam did it as well. He folded Arona up like a paper doll. yeah, the headbutt was nasty, but it looked like Arona and Jackson smashed faces together in the same place, and it didn't knock Jackson out.
I watched it multiple times after Bas mentioned the headbutt cut Rampage, so I am not just talking here. I was wondering if it was Arona's teeth that did that cut, but it wasn't. It wasn't a headbutt so much as smashing faces together.
Either way a head clash is not an intentional head butt, nor was it a simple clash of heads that resulted in an injury. It was a technique(legal throw) were the heads of the two combatants collided on impact. There was so much velocity behind the throw that there is noway to be sure that the head is the only factor in causing Aronas loss. Everyone has seen the Bearhug throw Tito Ko'ed Tanner with and the same thing happened(they landed with Tito's head on the end off Tanners chin) but nobody argued against that one. The impact in both throws was such that if the throw alone had not ended the match, the damage that the fighter sustained would have left him severely shaken and a sitting duck for an explosion of strikes that would have otherwise surely followed. Being that the cause of the KO was uncertain, especially at the moment of incident how could it be ruled a N/C? If the throw alone had not ended the fight I am sure it would have been the beginnig of the end regardless.
Arona showed he is a great warrior, and odd things sometimes happen in the fight game. The best thing would be for them to both move on and rematch each other in the near future. I am quite sure that anyone who forked over the cash to watcht the fight would be happy to do it again, because after a great fight like this there is no doubt both guys are among the very best in the world.
Just Glad to hear Arona is fine after an imact like that. I would not have been suprised if he didn't know his own name after that one.........
-The impact in both throws was such that if the throw alone had not ended the match, the damage that the fighter sustained would have left him severely shaken and a sitting duck for an explosion of strikes that would have otherwise surely followed.-
Just wanted to qualify that statement by saying:
Although Fedors throw could have been been fatal and he was able to fight through it there is a distinct difference. Fedor came down on his top of his head and shoulder's(mostly head) which is far more dangerous to the spine but less likely to cause the same sort of concussion to the brain, because he rolled off the impact slightly.
On the other hand, Arona's head had that whipping motion into the ground causing a higher impact, and to the back of his head. Although Arona was less likely to sustain a broken neck he is far more likely to recieve a severe concussion.
As anyone who watches boxing knows the top of the head can take a tremendous level of impact compared to the back of the head because of the ocsipital nerve is valnurable at the brain stem.
Also the dynamics of the skull allow for more movement of the brain front to back than up and down therefore making it more likely to sustain a concusion from the front, back or sides.
Also Fedor is a much larger man which also helped him to absorb the impact.
I'm not sure that many other people alive could have taken that throw the way he did.
I have seen a few throws from colligiate wrestlers in the past similar to both of these and each resulting in injuries. But the ones that resulted in the greatest brain truma(worst concussion-nobody got brain damage) were the ones closer to Arona's. It's just that whipping motion that makes it so dangerous.
"You just know there is going to be an appeal from BTT as you could see them pissed walking away from the ring. "
You know that is right because that is what every time they lose.
There's no reason to contest this fight-Rampage won. I'd love to see a rematch though
definately looks like a ko from the slam - plus quinton got the worst of the head clash and was g&p'ing with no delay
KO-ed from the slam, not the headbutt.
Yet another reason why slamming should be legal in grappling tournaments.
"I honestly was afraid Arona was dead after that slam. Fuckin brutal."
Memnock, me too, I thought Arona was dead. I was glad he got up and seemed to be ok.
their heads clashed...arona went out...quinton did not. Quinton Jackson = winner
"headbutt is bullshit. " who exactly are you complaining about? Quinton? It was an accident that was completely meaningless anyway... Im all for this being a NC... if it can be proved he was ktfo by the headbut... And who was at fault for the butt? Aronas head was bouncing back off the matt so fast he did all the damage... dumb post but i saw it coming..
The slam KOed him.
Arona lost because he made some shitty decisions. It wasn't Rampage's fault that Arona wanted to be the proverbial monkey that won't let go of the fruit, so get's caught.
He's a stupid monkey. He should have released the triangle. He got slammed. If the first slam didn't do it, the second surely would have.
I hope evertime a buttflop happens that the buttflopper gets KOed in similar fashion.
He wasn't ko'd from the head butt becuase you can see him trying to break his fall. The slam ko'd him.
I've watched the tape four times now, it was clearly the slam that did it, Arona was asleep the second his head hit the mat.
I just rewatched the fight and IMO, the headbutt did it. But you can't fault Jackson for that, it happens. It actually was a very good fight up until that point. These guys are both young, so hopefully they will meet again in the future. I just hope Pride will make it happen.
I think it was the slam.
I have to give Arona serious props for stepping up his game, though. What little standup there was, he seemed to be pressing more, and he went for sub after sub on his back.
Look for Rampage/Rogerio Nogueira after the Silva fight, to conclude this nice Rampage/BTT series.