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I take Messier first if I am building a team from scratch.
THAT'S how you won the Bieber sweepstakes....you suck.....lol.
messier over crosby lol. that would be like auston matthews over mcdavid.
what metrics are you using to rank Sid ahead of Moose?
Not saying youre wrong.. just curious what you used to come to that consensus?
they are very even after their 1'st 1000 games in goals and points
Moose finished 3rd over all in PTS all time
2 playoff MVP
6 cups total ( 2 without wayne )
by what metric is sid "better"
2 art ross (which is why we judge grets so high: points), 2 conn smythe to mark's 1.
messier had 20 year to win a scoring title and never did.
other notable facts when you look inside their 1000 games:
was the first player to get 100 points and 100 penalty min.
played the fewest games played by team leading scorer
was the youngest player to hit 200 points
was the youngest player to hit 2 100 point seasons, and he played in a point deprived era.
has lead the league in goals 1x.
messier has never lead the league in either goals nor points.
sid has better physical attributes, like top speed, edgework and passing. better ppg. 1.28 sid, vs. 1.07, and 1.07 is playing with grets on your team and in the 80s.
imo release is about similar if you account for moose using a wooden, but he did awesome at the 4 corner events at the all star and is an excellent sniper. i'd rate him slightly better than sid, but sid generates so much power and speed he creates openings on goalies. moose is more physical and is a better leader. but i'd still take crosby in a draft, or rank him higher on a top 50 list.
messier played at he same time as Wayne and Mario - tough to win a scoring title with #1 and #2 all time playing at the same time
but the PPG after 1000 games are virtually identical 1.28
if sid keeps up the scoring pace for another 10 years i may change my mind
and Messier didnt play on the same line with Gretzky.. they played PP together but very little 5v5
and yes scoring is down.. because wayne and Mario arent scoring 200 pts a season.
if you look at the points leaders just before the GWG era its 123 ppg
then explodes during wayne / mario years and back down to 100 + an average
I'm guessing messier would be very similar playing in todays game numbers wise.. and has 6 CUPS
I think we overlook messier because he played with the 2 GOATS
This point doesn't make sense either. The scoring was not up solely because of Mario and Wayne.
Just as an example, picking a random year from the 80's and 2000's..... In 1984/85 there were 16 players with 100+ points. In 2007/08 there were 2. In 08/09 there were 3. In 10/11 there was 1. You get the picture.
I mean, just look at the PPG leaders of all time. There is a reason the majority of the top 50 list played 30+ years ago.