rank these NHL hockey players

yusul -
RhinoHog -
Mark1 -

I take Messier first if I am building a team from scratch.


Mark

THAT'S how you won the Bieber sweepstakes....you suck.....lol.

messier over crosby lol. that would be like auston matthews over mcdavid. 


 


 

Auston plays a 200 foot game. How'd McDavid do his last 3 games?

papa pump -
yusul -
RhinoHog -
Mark1 -

I take Messier first if I am building a team from scratch.


Mark

THAT'S how you won the Bieber sweepstakes....you suck.....lol.

messier over crosby lol. that would be like auston matthews over mcdavid. 


 


 

Auston plays a 200 foot game. How'd McDavid do his last 3 games?

 not watching bubble hockey.  i'll wait until the real divisions and fans are back.  


 


if am is playing a 200 foot game, then he's improved drastically because he normally was clueless for his first several seasons. 


 


would you draft matthews over mcdavid knowing what you know now? i'm also not an oilers fan but it's mcdavid everyday. 

yusul - 
RhinoHog -
Mark1 -

I take Messier first if I am building a team from scratch.


Mark

THAT'S how you won the Bieber sweepstakes....you suck.....lol.

messier over crosby lol. that would be like auston matthews over mcdavid. 


 


 


what metrics are you using to rank Sid ahead of Moose?

Not saying youre wrong.. just curious what you used to come to that consensus?

they are very even after their 1'st 1000 games in goals and points

Moose finished 3rd over all in PTS all time
2 mvps
2 playoff MVP
6 cups total ( 2 without wayne )

by what metric is sid "better"


JUST a personal opinion bit Mario is the greatest combination of scoring, vision, size and overall ability. Too bad his career was fucked over by injury and cancer.

 

Opinion people, not fact.

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yusul -
papa pump -
yusul -
RhinoHog -
Mark1 -

I take Messier first if I am building a team from scratch.


Mark

THAT'S how you won the Bieber sweepstakes....you suck.....lol.

messier over crosby lol. that would be like auston matthews over mcdavid. 


 


 

Auston plays a 200 foot game. How'd McDavid do his last 3 games?

 not watching bubble hockey.  i'll wait until the real divisions and fans are back.  


 


if am is playing a 200 foot game, then he's improved drastically because he normally was clueless for his first several seasons. 


 


would you draft matthews over mcdavid knowing what you know now? i'm also not an oilers fan but it's mcdavid everyday. 

NOt a chance. That mustache alone ruins him for me as a gm.

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RhinoHog - 

JUST a personal opinion bit Mario is the greatest combination of scoring, vision, size and overall ability. Too bad his career was fucked over by injury and cancer.


 


Opinion people, not fact.


i have Mario @ #2 behind wayne

Just cant put him #1 all time with Waynes numbers

Wayne has more cups and better scoring / game and all time

i would need to have something more than "what if mario was healthy"


androb - 
RhinoHog - 

JUST a personal opinion bit Mario is the greatest combination of scoring, vision, size and overall ability. Too bad his career was fucked over by injury and cancer.


 


Opinion people, not fact.


i have Mario @ #2 behind wayne

Just cant put him #1 all time with Waynes numbers

Wayne has more cups and better scoring / game and all time

i would need to have something more than "what if mario was healthy"



Here's what Ray Bourque told me about Mario/Wayne ... 'If any player in the league (including Gretzky) was going down one on one you didn't have to sprint back bc most likely they weren't going to get by them. If Mario was going down one on two you moved your butt bc you knew he was beating both of them'


Couple of caveats - They're both from Quebec so may have some bias. He also answered a direct question about playing against the two guys and not who he thought was better


There is a real argument about who was better, but not who had the better career


 

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androb -
RhinoHog - 

JUST a personal opinion bit Mario is the greatest combination of scoring, vision, size and overall ability. Too bad his career was fucked over by injury and cancer.


 


Opinion people, not fact.


i have Mario @ #2 behind wayne

Just cant put him #1 all time with Waynes numbers

Wayne has more cups and better scoring / game and all time

i would need to have something more than "what if mario was healthy"


I Get it. I hated Wayne so there's a bias. Hate is probably too strong, disliked, but you can't argue outcome.

yusul -
papa pump -
yusul -
RhinoHog -
Mark1 -

I take Messier first if I am building a team from scratch.


Mark

THAT'S how you won the Bieber sweepstakes....you suck.....lol.

messier over crosby lol. that would be like auston matthews over mcdavid. 


 


 

Auston plays a 200 foot game. How'd McDavid do his last 3 games?

 not watching bubble hockey.  i'll wait until the real divisions and fans are back.  


 


if am is playing a 200 foot game, then he's improved drastically because he normally was clueless for his first several seasons. 


 


would you draft matthews over mcdavid knowing what you know now? i'm also not an oilers fan but it's mcdavid everyday. 

That's a tough question to answer. But at this point no, I'd take McDavid. But to say they aren't on the same level is insane. 


Matthews is near a goal per game right now, and McDavid leads the league in points.


But the Leafs just shut him down 3 games in a row, his defense is shit as a centre. Mikhaylev out skated him


In all fairness the Oilers are shit without him and drai

androb - 
yusul - 
RhinoHog -
Mark1 -

I take Messier first if I am building a team from scratch.


Mark

THAT'S how you won the Bieber sweepstakes....you suck.....lol.

messier over crosby lol. that would be like auston matthews over mcdavid. 


 


 


what metrics are you using to rank Sid ahead of Moose?

Not saying youre wrong.. just curious what you used to come to that consensus?

they are very even after their 1'st 1000 games in goals and points

Moose finished 3rd over all in PTS all time
2 mvps
2 playoff MVP
6 cups total ( 2 without wayne )

by what metric is sid "better"



sid has:
2 art ross (which is why we judge grets so high: points), 2 conn smythe to mark's 1.

messier had 20 year to win a scoring title and never did.
other notable facts when you look inside their 1000 games:

sid:

was the first player to get 100 points and 100 penalty min.
played the fewest games played by team leading scorer
was the youngest player to hit 200 points
was the youngest player to hit 2 100 point seasons, and he played in a point deprived era.
has lead the league in goals 1x.

messier has never lead the league in either goals nor points.

sid has better physical attributes, like top speed, edgework and passing. better ppg. 1.28 sid, vs. 1.07, and 1.07 is playing with grets on your team and in the 80s.

imo release is about similar if you account for moose using a wooden, but he did awesome at the 4 corner events at the all star and is an excellent sniper. i'd rate him slightly better than sid, but sid generates so much power and speed he creates openings on goalies. moose is more physical and is a better leader. but i'd still take crosby in a draft, or rank him higher on a top 50 list.

androb -
yusul - 
RhinoHog -
Mark1 -

I take Messier first if I am building a team from scratch.


Mark

THAT'S how you won the Bieber sweepstakes....you suck.....lol.

messier over crosby lol. that would be like auston matthews over mcdavid. 


 


 


what metrics are you using to rank Sid ahead of Moose?

Not saying youre wrong.. just curious what you used to come to that consensus?

they are very even after their 1'st 1000 games in goals and points

Moose finished 3rd over all in PTS all time
2 mvps
2 playoff MVP
6 cups total ( 2 without wayne )

by what metric is sid "better"


I feel like this has been explained to you multiple times at this point but you continue to ignore it.

papa pump - 
yusul -
papa pump -
yusul -
RhinoHog -
Mark1 -

I take Messier first if I am building a team from scratch.

Mark

THAT'S how you won the Bieber sweepstakes....you suck.....lol.


messier over crosby lol. that would be like auston matthews over mcdavid. 


 


 



Auston plays a 200 foot game. How'd McDavid do his last 3 games?



 not watching bubble hockey.  i'll wait until the real divisions and fans are back.  


 


if am is playing a 200 foot game, then he's improved drastically because he normally was clueless for his first several seasons. 


 


would you draft matthews over mcdavid knowing what you know now? i'm also not an oilers fan but it's mcdavid everyday. 



That's a tough question to answer. But at this point no, I'd take McDavid. But to say they aren't on the same level is insane. 


Matthews is near a goal per game right now, and McDavid leads the league in points.


But the Leafs just shut him down 3 games in a row, his defense is shit as a centre. Mikhaylev out skated him


In all fairness the Oilers are shit without him and drai




you have strong points, but the leafs are eating canadian teams right now. if they had to face off against tampa, etc. matthews goals would go down. i also have the theory that playing at home normally is a disadvantage for the leafs, because of the pressure. with bubble hockey, they can relax more.

don't get me wrong, before his first season, i said am will be better than sundin in a leafs uniform and could possibly be the best leaf ever when he finishes his career, but i think his numbers are a little inflated beating up on canadian teams this season.

the us teams have traditionally tighter defense and more rounded teams. without seeing this season, i'm assuming columbus, the canes and preds have solid d, and tampa is strong.

THIS is weird but I have been #19 in everything I've played, raced,etc....all because of trottier. I can't explain it, I just took to his at 5 years old and on.

Diabeetus - 
androb -
yusul - 
RhinoHog -
Mark1 -

I take Messier first if I am building a team from scratch.


Mark

THAT'S how you won the Bieber sweepstakes....you suck.....lol.

messier over crosby lol. that would be like auston matthews over mcdavid. 


 


 


what metrics are you using to rank Sid ahead of Moose?

Not saying youre wrong.. just curious what you used to come to that consensus?

they are very even after their 1'st 1000 games in goals and points

Moose finished 3rd over all in PTS all time
2 mvps
2 playoff MVP
6 cups total ( 2 without wayne )

by what metric is sid "better"


I feel like this has been explained to you multiple times at this point but you continue to ignore it.


LOL I asked a poster why he has sid ahead of Moose

id like his take

I dont agree with either of you and I've already explained to you why I think you're wrong. so not sure why you want to chime in again

but just in case

see the next post

no slight on messier. i think he's the greatest captain of all time. 

RhinoHog -

THIS is weird but I have been #19 in everything I've played, raced,etc....all because of trottier. I can't explain it, I just took to his at 5 years old and on.

you and sakic, lol. 

THE only problem with Messier is he lacks in the #1 category. Pure skill. Sure, he put up numbers over 20 years, but he is just not as skilled as the top 10 or even 20.

yusul -
RhinoHog -

THIS is weird but I have been #19 in everything I've played, raced,etc....all because of trottier. I can't explain it, I just took to his at 5 years old and on.

you and sakic, lol. 

BIG Sakic faN too. Watching him play against our Tigers in Jr.

yusul - 
androb - 
yusul - 
RhinoHog -
Mark1 -

I take Messier first if I am building a team from scratch.


Mark

THAT'S how you won the Bieber sweepstakes....you suck.....lol.

messier over crosby lol. that would be like auston matthews over mcdavid. 


 


 


what metrics are you using to rank Sid ahead of Moose?

Not saying youre wrong.. just curious what you used to come to that consensus?

they are very even after their 1'st 1000 games in goals and points

Moose finished 3rd over all in PTS all time
2 mvps
2 playoff MVP
6 cups total ( 2 without wayne )

by what metric is sid "better"



sid has:
2 art ross (which is why we judge grets so high: points), 2 conn smythe to mark's 1.

messier had 20 year to win a scoring title and never did.
other notable facts when you look inside their 1000 games:

sid:

was the first player to get 100 points and 100 penalty min.
played the fewest games played by team leading scorer
was the youngest player to hit 200 points
was the youngest player to hit 2 100 point seasons, and he played in a point deprived era.
has lead the league in goals 1x.

messier has never lead the league in either goals nor points.

sid has better physical attributes, like top speed, edgework and passing. better ppg. 1.28 sid, vs. 1.07, and 1.07 is playing with grets on your team and in the 80s.

imo release is about similar if you account for moose using a wooden, but he did awesome at the 4 corner events at the all star and is an excellent sniper. i'd rate him slightly better than sid, but sid generates so much power and speed he creates openings on goalies. moose is more physical and is a better leader. but i'd still take crosby in a draft, or rank him higher on a top 50 list.

messier played at he same time as Wayne and Mario - tough to win a scoring title with #1 and #2 all time playing at the same time

but the PPG after 1000 games are virtually identical 1.28

if sid keeps up the scoring pace for another 10 years i may change my mind

and Messier didnt play on the same line with Gretzky.. they played PP together but very little 5v5

and yes scoring is down.. because wayne and Mario arent scoring 200 pts a season.

if you look at the points leaders just before the GWG era its 123 ppg

then explodes during wayne / mario years and back down to 100 + an average

I'm guessing messier would be very similar playing in todays game numbers wise.. and has 6 CUPS

I think we overlook messier because he played with the 2 GOATS





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androb -
Diabeetus - 
androb -
yusul - 
RhinoHog -
Mark1 -

I take Messier first if I am building a team from scratch.


Mark

THAT'S how you won the Bieber sweepstakes....you suck.....lol.

messier over crosby lol. that would be like auston matthews over mcdavid. 


 


 


what metrics are you using to rank Sid ahead of Moose?

Not saying youre wrong.. just curious what you used to come to that consensus?

they are very even after their 1'st 1000 games in goals and points

Moose finished 3rd over all in PTS all time
2 mvps
2 playoff MVP
6 cups total ( 2 without wayne )

by what metric is sid "better"


I feel like this has been explained to you multiple times at this point but you continue to ignore it.


LOL I asked a poster why he has sid ahead of Moose

id like his take

I dont agree with either of you and I've already explained to you why I think you're wrong. so not sure why you want to chime in again

but just in case

see the next post

But your explanation of why he is better doesn't add up. The only accomplishments he has on Sid are 3 more cups (4 of them while playing with the GOAT...and Crosby still has more Conn Smythe's). Crosby has just as many 100 point seasons in a lower scoring era, better ppg in a lower scoring era, just as many 50 goal seasons in a lower scoring era. Crosby has led the league in both goals and points, where Messier did neither. And Crosby was considered the best player in the NHL for over a decade.