Rickson predicted Stand and Wang phenomenon

12. The sons of Rorion are training with a representative of Chute Boxe here in America . I would like to know if someday your son Kron is going to fight Vale-Tudo, would you accept it if he trains in another art outside of jiu-jitsu?

Rickson: As incredible as it seems, the efficiency of Vale Tudo is invisible. People are distorting the efficiency of Vale-Tudo, making it more complex than it is. I don't see the necessity to train other arts for Vale-Tudo. Jiu-jitsu is already a complete concept with all the necessities needed to be good in Vale-Tudo. But that is exactly the problem. The people of jiu-jitsu think about competition, think about a little half guard game, think about grabbing the quimono. But that is getting away from what I think is the real jiu-jitsu, which is based on the sense of the distribution of weight, which the major sense for self-defense. I don't look for to knockout someone standing up, I look for to not be in a position to be knocked out myself. I look for the position to take my opponent where I want to be. That is my concept. The day that I think that I have to train kickboxing to beat a kickboxing champion, that will be the day I lose.

13. So you don't think that by training in kickboxing, that it can in some way help you to neutralize the kickboxer's game?

Rickson: Much to the contrary. Show me a jiu-jitsu fighter who trains kickboxing who has an advantage over a kickboxer standing up.....and then maybe I'll change my opinion. But this never happens. They always end up trying to do the technique wrong., end up clinch anyway) and lose big opportunities.


And, yeah, before you little squids shit yourselves in a typing fury, this is a tongue-in-cheek post.

Basically he's saying that you don't need to cross-train and that if you devote that time to developing superior jiu-jitsu you will have the abilities to negate your opponent and control who has the upper hand.

If that's true it's going to be proven by people like Jacare and Roger.

BUT, this phenomenon we're seeing of amazing grapplers fighting like redneck bar-brawlers is getting ridiculous.

So is he saying that a kickboxer shouldnt train jiu-jitsu for submission defense?

Gene Simmons' Shirt - So is he saying that a kickboxer shouldnt train jiu-jitsu for submission defense?


Rickson still to this day thanks his lucky stars that Bud Smith didn't practice any sub defense.

Gene Simmons' Shirt - So is he saying that a kickboxer shouldnt train jiu-jitsu for submission defense?


He didn't say kickboxing was a complete art.

What he says he utterly simplistic. He probably conceives today's MMA kickboxer as someone that does not cross-train and is not proficient in wrestling and BJJ. A purely BJJ specialist cannot win against a cross-trained, modern MMA athlete.

Sylvia vs Mercer

i agree with rickson up to a point...it is hard to watch these great grapplers just stand up swing for the fences...

i have to ask Rickson though, what happens if that superior JJ guy is fighting a very good wrestler/kickboxer hybrid and he cannt the guy down??what then??just picture Rickson fighting a guy like jon Jones...he would be in big trouble..

Rickson would get KTFO against any TOP tier fighter today. Kron would get detroyed if he fights anyone good, as his BJJ< Rickson's.



There I said it.

wilson gouveia. he's a perfect example of both crosstraining gone good and bad. at times you see him doing well against kickboxers like reljic and jardine. he even wins fights with kickboxing. however, it's also his downfalls. he's got a great ground game and one of the nastiest guillotines in the game, yet why does he insist on standing with someone who is weak on the ground like reljic?

rickson is oversimplifying.

I broadly agree with him, except he is too dismissive of training kickboxing. I would agree if he said you should train with kickboxers with a view to getting the fight to the ground and not in order to strike with them, but you have to train with good strikers to get used to it.

It is possible to have limited striking and be effective- Aoki never fails to get the fight to the ground in one way or another. I do believe stand and wang is a very common problem in the UFC. I don't deny that to beat the very best guys though, you need to be good at everything.

Rickson is more right than wrong. Training in an art to understand it is one thing...Completely abandoning the fundemental principals of your base fighting art to stand and wang is retarded.

maiia fight with nathan marquerte is what rickson is talking about.

SKARHEAD - Rickson is more right than wrong. Training in an art to understand it is one thing...Completely abandoning the fundemental principals of your base fighting art to stand and wang is retarded.


yes.

and it does happen an awful lot in the UFC.

Rickson:  Show me a jiu-jitsu fighter who trains kickboxing who has an advantage over a kickboxer standing up.....and then maybe I'll change my opinion. But this never happens. .


 

"Show me a jiu-jitsu fighter who trains kickboxing who has an advantage over a kickboxer standing up.....and then maybe I'll change my opinion. But this never happens. They always end up trying to do the technique wrong., end up clinch anyway) and lose big opportunities."











Hickson ... you talk a lotta booshit ... unnastan?




Soup and Beer - 
Rickson:  Show me a jiu-jitsu fighter who trains kickboxing who has an advantage over a kickboxer standing up.....and then maybe I'll change my opinion. But this never happens. .

 



Nice work.

The reason i dont think Rickson is a huge fan of standup fighting is that its risky, more upsets come from the stand up portion of the fight then anywhere else. From my understanding Rickson doesn't believe in losing. This is different from winning and this is what makes Ricksons ideas difficult to always implement in mma. MMA is a sport.

His first priority is to be safe and to take as little risk as possible. He wants to stay in what i think he calls point zero.

When someone attacks they leave themselves open and this can be risky. For him to start exchange punches/kicks with someone is risky no matter how good your stand up is. How many times have you seen someone who has much better stand up get knocked out by someone with striking not as good. Look at last weeks strikeforce, i think melvins stand up is alot better then Robbie Lawlers and in that fight Melvin was dominating the stand up pretty bad till Robbie got that one punch in.

When a jiujitsu fighter decides to try and stand up a little bit it causes risks. This opens themselves up. Look at what happened to damien maia against marquart.

The safest game that someone can play in mma/vale tudo is to
clinch->
get it to the ground(be on top)->
pass guard->
mount->
take back->
RNC.

Look at most of ricksons fights they end up like that. You don't need to strike to play that game.

 Who says the striker can't grappling?

Rickson has raised the anger of some in the MMA community by criticizing the abilities of current top fighters, claiming that he could still beat them easily today. In an interview with Tokyo Sports, Rickson argued that Fedor Emelianenko is a great athlete, but possesses "so-so" technical ability, and that he (Rickson) is "100% sure" that he would defeat him.[10] Previous comments of this sort that Rickson made about Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira prompted Wanderlei Silva to say that Rickson is "living in a fantasy world."

Hélio Gracie disputed Rickson's claim to have had over 400 fights. According to Hélio, Rickson has only competed in fights that are commonly known and reported: the two against Rei Zulu and those that took place in Japan. Hélio alleged that Rickson uses practice and amateur bouts to obtain a number over 400, and that if he counted his fights like Rickson does, he would have in excess of one million.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rickson_Gracie