Here’s a match, you would not want to see right? the thousands of folks with those disorders…_:-)
195 vs 265 So Rickson, in the day of course would have no chance, Carwin would smash the little guy?
First I think everyone would wanna watch that, even the guys who said they wouldn’t…Right???
Of course Rickson would decline because Carwin is bigger…..wrong!!!
Rickson due to his training in the sport of Jiu-jitsu has trained to fight much bigger guys has a strategy all ready in his back pocket that’s time tested, can’t argue that.. In the real world there might be a time this might happen., fight a bigger guy.
So what would you say the strategy might be for each guy, No time limit?
I know it won’t happen but humor this old guy…
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No takers ??? Well this scenario is not like a dead 40 yr Bruce Lee legend fighting a guy today, It's 2 living fighters with only a few years apart and this size difference in a fight can happen to any one of you, at any time.
You fight like you train, so you should train like you fight.
Carwin should try to win the fight as soon as possible, endless time is not his friend. He needs to keep the movement to a minimum. There are no rounds to stop and most fighters have trained their body for recovery time. Not here!!!! He has to fight through the fatigue and keep punishing until knowkout, which in return causes more fatigue. In addition, with the lack of rest between rounds to the Big guy dehydration can be a problem running that big engine. Again like most fighters hydrating between rounds is common. Not here!!! Finally Carwin needs to stay off the ground.
No explanation needed.
Rickson has a daunting task, nothing like he has ever fought before. Carwin is a BEAST!!!!
The longer the fight goes the better chance Rickson has to get on Carwin's back to choke. I have been with Rickson when he has fought straight for well over an hour with no water, so this is nothing new and is vital to his survival. The key is to have perfect distancing, with in Carwin's punching range and to understand Carwin's timing and speed to slip in or out of that range while not getting cornered. That could be the end for Rickson. When or if Rickson senses the fatigued giant he may have one shot to get him down and finish.
Today's MMA fighter does not need to address these issues because they don't have to. This is why at times you see arrogance and lack of fear in the pre-fight syce. The fighter knows he can take the punishment from similar sized people, so you see the aggressive bull in a China shop approach. Of course this is what promoters like, a real blood bath
Forrest Griffin vs Stephen Bonnar a.k.a the greatest fight in UFC history. Millions have watched and cheered...how civil.... I too loved this fight and there is no need to disguise this disorder if that's what you want to call it.
This would be a very hard fight to call but I personally would have to give the edge to Carwin but Rickson in his own right is not a legend for nothing.
Rickson out of his own mouth has said " I am prepared to fight ANYONE at anytime"
And he is one of the most humble sport oriented people I have ever met. he has a down to earth balanced approach to combat. Balanced is the key word here and as I have learned from my teacher is the way to go.
Hey Yosh, I don't think so, Rick's is only known to the MA crowed not the general public soooo?
The other half just know the truth:
"Rickson by Armbar, Rd. 1, 2:12"
As far as the early win Rd, 1? there is no rounds, no time limit, I don't agree with the early win.
Yosh I don't know your size but i train with huge guys and size matters and the smart jits man dosn't play that speed game. He will wait, be causious, let the opponant wear themself out, then slither in. That's Rickson style. Smart!!!
Rushing in around the first minute? that's what someone does who dosn't train with big guys. That's my point!!!
The wait around strategy would obviously work in a no time limits match in the ring or cage.
Obviously, a streetfight or self defence situation doesn't allow for this strategy. If Rickson were in this sort of situation versus a huge guy, his overall stategy would be redundant. He'd have to go to something else.
So when we talk about Rickson in a fight, we have to clarfy under what circumstances the fight is taking place.
That's not a knock on Rickson, simply an observation.
Given the fact the Brock Lesner could submit Carwin, I am pretty sure Rickson could do the same. I think Rickson could easily get the fight to ground, probably similar to how Werdum got Fedor on the ground. Roll with the punches and pull guard.
In all reality Carwin would gas walking across the ring to engage Rickson, so it might not even be THAT difficult.
Brook took a bad beating against Shane 1st round, Rickson could never take that kind of punishment. Brook's frame could absorb that kind of power, Rickson's small frame can't. Believe me Rickson has been my friend and teacher since 1988 and I would only want him to win, but folks have to be real about it. And the only way to be real is to have done similar yourself, then you will know for yourself. Did you ever try pulling guard on a 280lb guy? I'm 5'7 I can barely get my feet on the hips, full guard will split you open with the weight.I've had it happen.
Fighting even training with 280+lb men can hurt you.. there is a lot of worry when out weighed by 100lbs so every thought in your mind is defense, every move subtle or strong has to be correct. It's not well, I'll just do this...Nope!!!! It's a serious of small calculated moves. You don't see this all out defensive fight plan with today's fighters because, "they don't have to" they come in balls to the wall. like Yosh said, 1 minute into the fight looking for the win, won't happen.
I think Rick's can win and has the experience and smarts to be honest with the situation and not under estamate the power, speed and conditioning (even though minimum) of Carwin. Sometimes you can stay on the Bull, sometimes the Bull impales you with the horns to never ride again. Bull riding a sport where millions of mentally disordered men, woman, and children eat hot dogs and drink soda, laugh, cheer and enjoy the day. just another sport where small men risk life and limb against massive obstacles....and succeed.
Royce beat Shamrock in a matter on minutes in their first match. The size disparity between he and Royce was incredible. The fact that Brock Lesnar is punch shy and flinches and covers up the minute you make a fist, then as a result, takes a lot of punishment, does little to illustrate what would happen if Rickson fought Carwin.
I know this will sound a little like the "oh yeah, my style doesn't work in the UFC but is deadly on the street" but I tend to think Rickson has little chance in the ring/cage with Carwin if Carwin is fighting with some strategy...stay on the feet, punish Rickson standing etc.
In a violent encounter, (one on one...no one knows who the other guy is) I am going to make the leap and assume it would be Carwin initiating, and escalating the fight since he is the big scary dude and discretion is the better part of valor (particularly for the undersized).
I think Rickson's chances go up in this scenario a bit...dealing with agression (rather than having to initiate) is right in the wheelhouse for traditional BJJ. I think Carwin charging in like a bull is at risk against Rickson...
First MMA death. BJJ is a class B martial art. Meaning in order for the art to be expressed fully, there has to be a takedown.
BJJ without wrestling is like a guard dog without teeth.
There is no way in hell Rickson takes any good fighter down today.
Rickson couldn't take Frankie Edgar or Gray Maynard down.
Even if the fight hit the ground against a light heavyweight or heavyweight, Rickson has never had to "play" BJJ against a big strong wrestlers who also has a clue about BJJ and was punching/elbowing him in the face.
If the wrestler doesn't want to go down, he ain't going down.
I love Rickson, but it might be the first death in MMA.
You are right, in the entire history of GJJ, they have never been known to take on stronger guys with a wrestling base. I mean look at how impossible it was for Royce Gracie to get Severn in his guard. I mean, Severn didn't want to go down and he....
oh wait he did and he got submitted too.
jcblass - You are right, in the entire history of GJJ, they have never been known to take on stronger guys with a wrestling base. I mean look at how impossible it was for Royce Gracie to get Severn in his guard. I mean, Severn didn't want to go down and he....
oh wait he did and he got submitted too.
It's 2011...not 1999.
People have a clue! That's why BJJ guys are training boxing, muay thai and wrestling.
...and everyone is training BJJ and wrestling.
I don't find Carwin to be anymore technical today on the ground than Severn was then, in fact I would say he is probably less technical. The guy got submitted by a nearly unconscious Brock Lesnar.
ha!
Unfortunately we will never know, but I think Carwin might win. The quality of opponents that Rickson faced pales in comparison to what is available these days.
He was dominating in the early days before people knew about BJJ.