Rogan still believe UFC is "Swallowing" Boxing ?

Imagine how silly it would be for Floyd / Canelo promoters to say "Wait, now...hold on, lets whore ourselves out to promote this fight...First thing is first.  We need to be coaches on a Boxing reality tv show - The Ultimate Boxer.  Then we need to create some 'BAD BLOOD" and have coaches talk shit for a while.  Then when we are ready for the ppv, we will have to delay it because one of the 'coaches' is injured and have to wait, so we will do an interim title until the other coach is all better and then we'll tell everyone on Fox, this will be the ultimate biggest boxing fight of all time and EVERYONE will believe us."'

Vaginal Tear - How many PPVs does boxing put on a yr?

How many free events on fox or any other network does boxing put on.

Does boxing get advertised during NFL games?

If the UFC put on 4 PPVs a yr they would all crack 2 million buys. Yes that is my own made up fact. Phone Post 3.0

Then why did broner do better numbers on premium tv than any free ufc on tv so far this year?

The last boxing card ppv that didn't have mayweather ot paq got 485k buys.

But that just means ufc average 350k is soooo much better.

Quality will always be better than quantity. Phone Post

VinnyLogz - As a whole MMA is swallowing Boxing but Boxing will always be more relatable to the average person bc it's just punching, regardless of what type of punch, almost anyone can identity with gettin hit in the face, MMA is so much dynamic, it's gonna take a long long time for it to reach the heights that a big boxing match can reach. Big boxing matches are like the Super Bowl, a lot more people watch that have no idea what going on,it's a big event and people want to be part of its and it's somewhat relatable bc almost everyone has thrown a punch in their life. MMA is just unrelatable to the average person. It's on another level Phone Post 3.0


You completely contradicted yourself.  You just admitted Boxing is more popular to the casual sports fan, but you started by saying mma is swallowing boxing ?!?  WTF ??



UFC ppv numbers are on the decline.  Boxing numbers are up in terms of big fights.  UFC numbers are down.  I don't understand the logic of UFC is swallowing Boxing when more folks are tuning into Boxing.  



Just my opinion, so dont freak out, but UFC is a name brand and a trend - its not a sport.  The sport of MMA will always thrive within the community of martial artists.  While the UFC is a product and a company - which has the capibilities of failing / selling their product.  Losing revenue.  Its all possible.   And with the absolute idiot decisions they make in terms of their product and their match making, the numbers speak for itself.



 



 





 



 



 

Pitbull3744 - Boxing is dead, there is literally no one left. The only numbers they ever see is when Floyd and manny fights that literally it.


UFC does PPV after PPV and always does impressive numbers and it's only getting better and growing. Boxing isn't growing at all. There are no heavyweights left and they used to run the show.

I'm surprised in you silly boys! Phone Post 3.0

So wrong on so many levels. So many boxing cards gets big numbers. Not no 2 million views but your average 1.6-1.8 million on showtime or hbo. Last ppv without floyd or paq did 485k.

And the hw still has haye and fury and they both generate numbers or buys out the ass.

Carl froch vs george groves just sold out almost 20l tickets in 11 minutes. But yeaa boxing is sooo dead.

You don't know shit about boxing Phone Post

And I think thats why Pride nostalgia still runs wild on the UG by old school fans - because it was Quality over Quantity. 

Thats why Boxing is better and higher numbers.  UFC whores itself out with events each week over here, over there, on ppv - but there aren't enough superstars to generate interest.  The UFC is DUMB enough to think "ok, if this guy has a championship title, then the audience will know hes a superstar and be interested" - but thats not the case at all.  Casual fans dont care about titles as much as they want to see superstars and skilled atheletes.  They want to see guys that are larger than life...Brock Lesnar was larger than life.  Hence 1 million ppv buys.    Mayweather and Pac are larger than life.  The UFC has guys that they could make larger than life, but they dont want to do it because they dont want any single fighter bigger than their organization, so they hold them back.

man meets fate is correct.  I'm only discussing UFC vs. Boxing in the USA.  OMG, if we are talking world wide - UFC is NOTHING compared to Boxing.

Kltischko, Khan, Froch, Haye in Europe ??  Huge numbers. .Absolutely huge numbers.  No UFC can do that kind of business because it markets itself rather than mega fights.

EatonBeever -

Imagine how silly it would be for Floyd / Canelo promoters to say "Wait, now...hold on, lets whore ourselves out to promote this fight...First thing is first.  We need to be coaches on a Boxing reality tv show - The Ultimate Boxer.  Then we need to create some 'BAD BLOOD" and have coaches talk shit for a while.  Then when we are ready for the ppv, we will have to delay it because one of the 'coaches' is injured and have to wait, so we will do an interim title until the other coach is all better and then we'll tell everyone on Fox, this will be the ultimate biggest boxing fight of all time and EVERYONE will believe us."'

Boxing tried reality shows....they got cancelled. ;-)

Boxing is not dead by any means, but you sound just as ignorant as the "boxing is dead" crowd when you claim MMA (or UFC) is on the decline. How many boxing events are on major public networks every year? How many major cable networks show boxing hihlights and replays 4-5 days a week for hours? You wont face that reality because you have a personal hatred of the UFC/Dana. Phone Post

UGCTT_iPray2bLaidByWeidman - 
EatonBeever -

Imagine how silly it would be for Floyd / Canelo promoters to say "Wait, now...hold on, lets whore ourselves out to promote this fight...First thing is first.  We need to be coaches on a Boxing reality tv show - The Ultimate Boxer.  Then we need to create some 'BAD BLOOD" and have coaches talk shit for a while.  Then when we are ready for the ppv, we will have to delay it because one of the 'coaches' is injured and have to wait, so we will do an interim title until the other coach is all better and then we'll tell everyone on Fox, this will be the ultimate biggest boxing fight of all time and EVERYONE will believe us."'

Boxing tried reality shows....they got cancelled. ;-)

Boxing is not dead by any means, but you sound just as ignorant as the "boxing is dead" crowd when you claim MMA (or UFC) is on the decline. How many boxing events are on major public networks every year? How many major cable networks show boxing hihlights and replays 4-5 days a week for hours? You wont face that reality because you have a personal hatred of the UFC/Dana. Phone Post



Why would it matter if Boxing events are on a major public network if no one watches it !!!  LMAO!!!   How many people gave a FUCK about UFC on Fox: Jonson vs. Moraga card besides the UFC fan boys ?  No disrespect by the fighters on that card but Lawler was the only person that mattered on that whole card.  It was an event that someone would watch and not remember afterwards. 



And my claims that UFC is on the decline is backed up by numbers where the whole "UFC is swallowing Boxing" is backed up by opinions and no facts. 



 

Boxing isn't dead, and i've never understood why some people need to swing dicks and scream about one being better than the other. I watch both and have no problem with that.

Like man meets fate has stated - Broner / Paulie M had a bigger audience than the so-called 'UFC on Major Public Network".   It was great UFC got a Fox deal and new exposure, but they threw in the same old watered down crap.  They dont have enough superstars to spread throughout these cards.  And the ones they DO have, they have to match them against ppl no one gives a fuck about.

EatonBeever - 
VinnyLogz - As a whole MMA is swallowing Boxing but Boxing will always be more relatable to the average person bc it's just punching, regardless of what type of punch, almost anyone can identity with gettin hit in the face, MMA is so much dynamic, it's gonna take a long long time for it to reach the heights that a big boxing match can reach. Big boxing matches are like the Super Bowl, a lot more people watch that have no idea what going on,it's a big event and people want to be part of its and it's somewhat relatable bc almost everyone has thrown a punch in their life. MMA is just unrelatable to the average person. It's on another level Phone Post 3.0


You completely contradicted yourself.  You just admitted Boxing is more popular to the casual sports fan, but you started by saying mma is swallowing boxing ?!?  WTF ??



UFC ppv numbers are on the decline.  Boxing numbers are up in terms of big fights.  UFC numbers are down.  I don't understand the logic of UFC is swallowing Boxing when more folks are tuning into Boxing.  



Just my opinion, so dont freak out, but UFC is a name brand and a trend - its not a sport.  The sport of MMA will always thrive within the community of martial artists.  While the UFC is a product and a company - which has the capibilities of failing / selling their product.  Losing revenue.  Its all possible.   And with the absolute idiot decisions they make in terms of their product and their match making, the numbers speak for itself.



 



 





 



 



 



First Rogan was wrong, boxing isnt getting sawllowed nor is it dead or close to it but how is that any different than the boxing community and promoters saying years ago the UFC was a fad and would be gone in a few years? 



Neither sport is going anywhere.



Second UFC PPV are actually up compared to last year in terms of event average and total buys, they probably will end up doing the best PPV year since 2010. 



They are also different models, boxing promotes two fighters on PPV, UFC promotes the brand.  Boxing can get two big Floyd fights and a Manny fight and then maybe one other fight on PPV and do well.  UFC does 13 PPV over the course of the year.



UFC can do a big fight that does 900-1 mill buys, then mix in a few 500k fights, a few 300k fights, a 200k fight and then a low fight of 170k or something.  The biggest PPV not involving Floyd or Manny in boxing in recent years was JCC/Sergio and it did 470k buys.  Floyds last fight is said to have done under a milion, whats Manny?Rios gonna do?  Whats Tim/JMM gonna do?



 

CapnKindBud - Who goes on an mma forum to start bashing the sport? That's a serious troll thing to do but ok, I'll play. Boxing is on the decline. Mma is on the way up. Boxing has been around for way longer and has deep roots in the USA's psyche .
Given time, I believe that mma will grow very much and the fans will reflect that in far larger numbers than you see today . Phone Post 3.0


Who's bashing the sport of MMA ?   UFC is not a sport, its an organization that talked a big talk with one of its commentators going on ESPN and making stupid idiot statements of "UFC will swallow Boxing".  I'm here to say that it DIDNT HAPPEN!

Boxing doesn't really pull those kinds of numbers regularly anymore. Mayweather pulls those numbers. Phone Post 3.0

the boxing vs mma shit is so played out.  Rogan was wrong, boxing isnt dead, it isnt going anywhere, Floyd is a huge draw, Manny still can draw, they have guys like JCC, Ward, Broner, Canelo that are great fighters. 

Same with mma, it may not be at its peak anymore but it aint going anywhere, fans still watch, still do big PPV and can sell PPV.  Those saying its dead are just as retarded as mma fans who say boxing is dead. 

 

The funny thing is dibella wasn't even being that disrespectful. The wirst thing he could have said to piss people off is call it pitbull fighting, but he also said it has a fan base and if they keep doing what there doing there going to be around along time.

He alos said it best that its a different form of entertainment. Boxing is popular for the art and skill and mma is popular for just cause people want r o see a fight, no matter how shitty the technique is, if you swing for the fences, whether it looks like crap or not, people love it.

Boxing fans don't want to see that leonard garcia style in boxing. They want to see boxers paint a masterpiece, they want to see the defense as important as offense style put on display.

That's real boxing, only people who say otherwise are the noobs who look up old tyson highlights squashing can afer can. Phone Post

EatonBeever - 

2013 UFC PPV numbers


UFC 156 'Aldo vs. Edgar - 330k



UFC 157 'Rousey vs. Carmouche' - 450k


UFC 158 'GSP vs. Diaz' - 950k <----Dream Match, Diaz a Superstar. GSP a Superstar...Hence the big ppv #'s



UFC 159 'Jones vs. Sonnen' - 550k


UFC 160 'Cain vs. Bigfoot 2' - 380k <---This was a HW championship fight which is suppose to be the biggest fights of them all, and yet lowest ppv buyrate.  Pathetic UFC cant even promote a HW champion.....



UFC 161 'Henderson vs. Evans' - 180k


UFC 162 'Anderson vs. Weidman' - 550k



UFC 163 'Aldo vs. Korean Zombie' - 170k


 


 


We are toward the end of the year and these numbers are MUCH lower than the previous 5 years.  I know there is a rumor UFC is for sale which is probably untrue, but if the UFC is on the decline which it is, I can def see Zuffa cashing in on its popularity before it dies off like pro wrestling of 90's.

 

You can't blame the UFC for not being able to promote the HW championship fight. Cain says nothing to build up fights. JDS says virtually nothing either.

Compare their approach to selling the fight with the ultimate hype job Floyd and Canelo's camp were doing on each other or the great job Diaz and GSP did. Cain gives them literally nothing to work with as far as building up a fight. Even if you do the countdown specials, all you see is Cain training and being a nice guy. Same with JDS. There's nothing to sell to people who aren't hardcore fans.

Stephen Holder - Why are you guys acting like anyone besides Mayweather is makin that kind of money. Rogan is 100% correct. You cant name one other fighter who right now or ever again will make "Mayweather money." That shit is gonna end the minute he retires. Saying otherwise is illogical seeing how nobody else in boxing is a real draw.

Mayweather's kids and his kid's kids are gonna be watchin mma and Eaton Beaver is gonna spaz the fuck out, watch.

Mayweather is at the top now so he makes the most money, but plenty of other boxers are still getting rich from the sport. Boxing has never lacked for superstars. I'd put a SN bet on it that 5 years down the line there will be new superstars to replace Mayweather, but fuck waiting 5 years for an answer. :)

Stephen Holder - Why are you guys acting like anyone besides Mayweather is makin that kind of money. Rogan is 100% correct. You cant name one other fighter who right now or ever again will make "Mayweather money." That shit is gonna end the minute he retires. Saying otherwise is illogical seeing how nobody else in boxing is a real draw.

Mayweather's kids and his kid's kids are gonna be watchin mma and Eaton Beaver is gonna spaz the fuck out, watch.

Paq makes pretty damn good money. Klitschkos makes big money, haye makes big money.

All those guys make in the double digit millions. Is it 80-100 million? No. But o can easily name you 20 guys right now of the top of my head that have had made millions in one fight. .. guaranteed fight purse to, not this add up all my sponsors bs.


Floyd makes that much cause he is in businees for himself and is a great business man. Phone Post

The success of pbf vs canelo is good for combat sports in general. Just like boxing isnt dead and will have more stars, so will mma. Ufc has done a great job of transitioning from the stars of the tuf 1 era to the current roster. Eventually theyll have an exciting star with charisma who can transcend the sport, just like boxing will have another after pbf.

The problem with mma is the sport itself unfortunately. Where in boxing the rules, judging, length of fight has been created for the sport, mma is living in a boxing mold that doesnt work. 15 minute three round fights for the elite of the sport doesnt work, especially in the confines of a ten point must system where its nearly impossible to get anyone to score 10-10 or 10-8 rounds.

And the rules suck. Every show theres a time where knees on the ground would change a fight....not for a brutal ending, but to add fluidity and excitement to it. Phone Post

Why do you even give a fuck?

They're too different sports and both are awesome in their own right. I don't want either to die.

More Sport = Win. Phone Post 3.0