1. Do you believe that immigration should be restricted legally?
2 if yes, do you believe those legal restrictions should be enforced?
3 if a homeless family, hungry and fearful of violence on the streets, broke into your home to get food and refuge should the parent go to jail?
4. What should happen to the kids in the family?
They can’t truthfully answer those questions. Because if they did their original argument would be deemed invalid.
It’s really just the flavor of the week or ‘weak’ if you will.
The system is corrupt. The leaders are corrupt and the voters are sheep. It’s not just America either. It’s the whole fucking planet.
It always has been and it seems it always will be.
TTT.
OP you drop the truth!
jimmy23 -gokudamus -1. Do you believe that immigration should be restricted legally?
2 if yes, do you believe those legal restrictions should be enforced?
3 if a homeless family, hungry and fearful of violence on the streets, broke into your home to get food and refuge should the parent go to jail?
4. What should happen to the kids in the family?
Yes
Yes
No
Get them all some help
LOL
What kind of precedent does that set?
What sort of process is necessary in order to determine if their motives were truly out of desperation?
How does this impact the motivations of others to engage in the same behavior in the hopes that this "desperation" exception will apply to them?
How much will the help cost?
What additional burdens will taxpayers be forced to endure in order to implement this generous policy?
How will incentives be shifted? Will people engage in this behavior more often knowing that the only consequence will be getting more help?
1. Yes
2. Yes (but there is a lot of room to argue how)
3. Depends on circumstances.
4. Kids should stay with parents, or be given a full ride (including citizenship if illegal) if parents deemed unable to care for them. If you don't want to take on these kids, don't separate them from the people legally obligated to care for them.
CharlesMartel -jimmy23 -gokudamus -1. Do you believe that immigration should be restricted legally?
2 if yes, do you believe those legal restrictions should be enforced?
3 if a homeless family, hungry and fearful of violence on the streets, broke into your home to get food and refuge should the parent go to jail?
4. What should happen to the kids in the family?
Yes
Yes
No
Get them all some help
LOL
What kind of precedent does that set?
What sort of process is necessary in order to determine if their motives were truly out of desperation?
How does this impact the motivations of others to engage in the same behavior in the hopes that this "desperation" exception will apply to them?
How much will the help cost?
What additional burdens will taxpayers be forced to endure in order to implement this generous policy?
How will incentives be shifted? Will people engage in this behavior more often knowing that the only consequence will be getting more help?
Let’s just say for shits and giggles that this scenario unfolded.
I have one scenario that seems feasible at least on the surface.
We replace a migrant family’s jobs and housing which is what we allot migrant families legal and illegal. We send them packing with tickets back home or move them to a lower tier job. We replace them with The aforementioned homeless family.
What are the outcomes
If the parents can afford to take care of the kids, agree to not have full citizenship rights or ever use any kind of social welfare before hitting certain thresholds, then everyone can stay once vetted in terms of the parents that passed qualifications and their children (not extended family).
If the parents cant support these kids or if the kids cant support themselves, time to go.
We have laws for a reason. Just because you have a family doesn’t mean the government shouldn’t throw you in jail for a criminal act. Otherwise we would have to release the majority of the prison population under the banner of “don’t break up families.”
Also
Yes
Yes
Let each homeowner decide whether to press charges imo. I understand a desperate person taking desperate measures, but I fully expect if I break into a pharmaceutical lab to steal a medicine for my family that they need, but I cant afford that I would be going to jail.
It depends on the situation, but under no circumstances should tax payers pay for illegals or their families. If they want to stay, then they need to take care of themselves only after proper vetting. If a parent doesn’t pass the vetting process, whole family gets a one way ticket.
jimmy23 -gokudamus -1. Do you believe that immigration should be restricted legally?
2 if yes, do you believe those legal restrictions should be enforced?
3 if a homeless family, hungry and fearful of violence on the streets, broke into your home to get food and refuge should the parent go to jail?
4. What should happen to the kids in the family?
Yes
Yes
No
Get them all some help
So you are saying it shouldnt be against the law for a homeless family to break into people’s houses and starting eating stuff and using their furniture etc.
GenericAmerican -1. Yes
2. Yes (but there is a lot of room to argue how)
3. Depends on circumstances.
4. Kids should stay with parents, or be given a full ride (including citizenship if illegal) if parents deemed unable to care for them. If you don't want to take on these kids, don't separate them from the people legally obligated to care for them.
what circumstances should they be allowed to break into the house and steal stuff?
so put the kids in jail with the adults?
The Left has become a culture of entitlement.
They don’t expect people to take any responsibility in their illegal actions.
Should we jail adults and minors together?
How do we know they are even related and the children aren’t victims of child sex trafficking
gokudamus -jimmy23 -gokudamus -1. Do you believe that immigration should be restricted legally?
2 if yes, do you believe those legal restrictions should be enforced?
3 if a homeless family, hungry and fearful of violence on the streets, broke into your home to get food and refuge should the parent go to jail?
4. What should happen to the kids in the family?
Yes
Yes
No
Get them all some help
So you are saying it shouldnt be against the law for a homeless family to break into people’s houses and starting eating stuff and using their furniture etc.
It’s only against the law IF the owners press the charges. If someone breaks in and gets caught and as a homeowner I decide that they are allowed in and don’t press charges then there is no crime. (I’m just guessing and not a lawyer)
androb -gokudamus -jimmy23 -gokudamus -1. Do you believe that immigration should be restricted legally?
2 if yes, do you believe those legal restrictions should be enforced?
3 if a homeless family, hungry and fearful of violence on the streets, broke into your home to get food and refuge should the parent go to jail?
4. What should happen to the kids in the family?
Yes
Yes
No
Get them all some help
So you are saying it shouldnt be against the law for a homeless family to break into people’s houses and starting eating stuff and using their furniture etc.
It’s only against the law IF the owners press the charges. If someone breaks in and gets caught and as a homeowner I decide that they are allowed in and don’t press charges then there is no crime. (I’m just guessing and not a lawyer)
I’m not so sure about that. If the homeless person admits that they entered without permission to a cop that’s a crime whether or not the homeowner presses charges or not.
gokudamus -GenericAmerican -1. Yes
2. Yes (but there is a lot of room to argue how)
3. Depends on circumstances.
4. Kids should stay with parents, or be given a full ride (including citizenship if illegal) if parents deemed unable to care for them. If you don't want to take on these kids, don't separate them from the people legally obligated to care for them.
what circumstances should they be allowed to break into the house and steal stuff?
so put the kids in jail with the adults?
As others have pointed out, it should be relevant what the owner of the property thinks. I’ve been in disaster areas (hurricanes and floods mostly) where people did break laws in order to survive in an emergency and generally people did not have a problem with it. I’ve also seen opportunistic looting, so, as I said before, depends on circumstances. Many laws are like this. It’s illegal to murder, but acceptable to shoot someone in self defense. Circumstances.
Yes, you’d need detention facilities for all of them if you are going to hold them. We have men’s prisons, women’s prisons, juvenile prisons, high risk, low risk, solitary, etc. We already have divided up the populations of people being held for a lot of reasons. I don’t see how families are so repulsive that we can’t take them into account too.
False analogy. It's not illegal to apply for asylum
gokudamus -1. Do you believe that immigration should be restricted legally?
2 if yes, do you believe those legal restrictions should be enforced?
3 if a homeless family, hungry and fearful of violence on the streets, broke into your home to get food and refuge should the parent go to jail?
4. What should happen to the kids in the family?
3 - someone most likely is getting shot in your scenario. I don’t care what you break into my house for, the pre assault interview will be very short.
Yeah. The entire South American continent as well as all of Central America should be able to come here with zero reprecussions. They should be able to violate state and federal laws as well as shit on the US sovereignty and expect no negative actions. Then the US should give free social benefits for the rest of their lives.
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gokudamus -1. Do you believe that immigration should be restricted legally?
2 if yes, do you believe those legal restrictions should be enforced?
3 if a homeless family, hungry and fearful of violence on the streets, broke into your home to get food and refuge should the parent go to jail?
4. What should happen to the kids in the family?
Yes
Yes
Yes. They broke into my home. No excuse for that shit. They basically said, "fuck you, my life is more important than yours. "
Don’t care.
LoveToChoke -False analogy. It's not illegal to apply for asylum
if done illegally, yes it is…separations arent occurring for asylum seekers that have complied with the legal process absent extraordinary circumstances