San Da training systems

Over the past few years, I've been occupied with two major projects. The first was helping build and develop the NYKK Gyms and the NYKK team. This, obviously, benefited the members of our two facilities directly. My second project was establishing King of San Da USA. I believe that through these efforts I have helped many athletes who wanted a venue to test their skills, get experience and get better.

Today, I am announcing the formation of San Da Training Systems, which I hope will help even more people by spreading a program which I believe not only offers great self defense skills, but also a great and healthy life style. I believe that San Da is something that can benefit everyone. San Da Training Systems will be the vehicle through which I will offer seminars, DVD and eventually books which will make the material and the philosophy available to everyone.

A very preliminary web site was launched today. In the next three months I hope to finish two DVD's. Anyone interested feel free to visit us.

San Da Training Systems

www.SanDaTrainingSystems.com

336 W 37th Street, 5th floor

New York, NY 10018

(212) 239-8619

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Marc

very cool!

Well, I've delivered quite a lot since I started doing things full time, look at NYKK and what the program has produced. But I guess negativity is a fixture of the internet

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"for example see TBA or Master Chai's org"

An obvious statement of someone who speaks with only half an idea of what they are really talking about.

First, let me say that, yes, there are a lot of TBA MT instructors out there that have never fought a match in Muay Thai. However, there are alot that have and have won.

Furthermore, it's amazing that people disrespect Master Chai now that he's gotten older and has a different philosphy, yet, just a few years ago he was feared for his brutality in training. Let's also not forget that he also was the first to take a team of fighters in 1982 to Thailand to compete in Bangkok's World Free Fighting Championships, taking third place when each American fighter had less than two years of training.

Since then, many TBA fighters have competed at many different levels and many fighters have sought out Chai's training to help them in their game. He literally has fighters all around the world.

Ajarn Chai had spent many years developing his first generation of hardcore instructors and now leaves the hard training to them. Instead, he now seeks to simply spread the love of the Thai art, believing that anyone can and should be able to enjoy this art without having to be a fighter. If it were not for this desire, it is doubtful that many of us would be enjoying the art as we are now able to. It can not be argued that much of Muay Thai's popularity is not owed to the efforts of Ajarn Chai.

Sure, not all TBA instructors are fighters. They do, however, have to study and train for years before they are able to test for their BEGINNING instructor test, though. I know another very popular instructor with a large organization that will certify you in four days at his camp and know people that have done it. No one mentions him though and he has done far, far less for the art.

TBA instructors are certified as teachers and coaches in the art of Muay Thai and are certified at different levels depending on knowledge, experience and the students/fighters that they have produced. I know of very, very few TBA instructors that can't at least teach someone the basics and get them started in their training. Most times, that's all that is wanted and needed. People that would not have the benefit of Muay Thai training otherwise are very thankful to say the least. If they seek more later on, they are easily able to move on to a more advanced instructor.

All in all, Ajarn Chai has probably done more to promote and support this art and sport worldwide. There are far more positives than any negatives you can ever bring up. He sure doesn't deserve some of the negativity that people sometimes bring to him when they actually owe much of the popularity of this art to him in the first place.

Furthermore, let's look at BJJ as a comparison.

Many, many, many new instructor wanna-be's were given "license to teach" or even a blue belt just to spread the organizations of certain instructors. This especially happened in the early 90's.

These blue belts go out and teach and how many competitions have they been in? Many to most have been in NONE. Hell, I even know of black belts that haven't competed.

But, that's performance based you say? So is the TBA Muay Thai. When a TBA student is first tested, he's tested as a student. He's tested on form and technique. When he takes his first test for his BEGINNING INSTRUCTOR certification, he is tested on form, technique and two rounds in the ring. They also had to train and train to prepare for those two hard rounds.

At this point, you might proportionally compare them to a blue belt in BJJ. They know the basics to teach you and help you get started. Where they go from there is up to them, just as in BJJ. They may stay as a beginner /blue belt or they may train harder to advance to higher levels.

Not all will be fighters or champs and not all will be great instructors, just as in BJJ.

lkfmdc,

Your idea sounds great. I'm sure that alot of gym owners would love to give their athlete's another venue in which to compete. I know I would. The only way these arts get any respect in the public view is to get more exposure and get more people involved. That is what helps to ensure the success and survival of arts/sports like San Shou/San Da and so on.

Good luck to you and hopefully we'll be hearing more soon!

I believe that if a 20 something guy comes to train, and he wants to make a profession of it, he should compete a few times at least... it will make him a better guy..

But there are exceptions to everything. If a 45 year odl guy was training hard and wanted to be a teacher, he has the material mastered, he can explain it, teach it, but he's not going to step into the ring with 20 year olds...

San Da is BOTH a fighting art and a lifestyle, I certainly hate when some so called martial arts become all life style and NO fighting, but to so limit who you are going to let get invovled with you is self defeating

The first www.SanDaTrainingSystems.com seminar was a success. We have more than three hours of pure fun and got tons of stuff on tape for the DVD.

The next seminar is in March. Will cover more of the "kickboxing" including footwork, range, level control, kicking, kick counters and kick catches.

For more info visit the web site or call

www.SanDaTrainingSystems.com

336 W 37th Street, 5th Floor

NY NY 10018

(212) 239-8619

OneScoup,

You say..."The only way you can do this and keep it legit is to require ring experience"

It says in the cert descriptions that to get full instructor level (4th level) one must have competition experience. 

Having said that, I understand what you mean about mass marketing.  It has killed many arts.  Take systema for example.  In North America, it is fast becoming a russian form of Tai Chi with lots of folks walking around with "certifications" they got at seminars.  However, go to Russia or train with the high level guys and they kick the crap out of each other.  I just came back from giving a seminar in Serbia where the systema and vale tudo guys train together.  They are all bad ass and the systema guys fight MMA.

The other side of the coin is that, not everyone wants to step in the ring and there in nothing wrong with offering lower level instruction for those people.  There's nothing wrong with certifications.  I know idiots with Ph.D.'s and geniuses with simply a high school education.In the end it is the responsibility of the student to research his/her coach. 

Once you get a feel of how we have things structured, and the way we want people to train, and remember that San Da is a COMPETITIVE SPORT, you will see that the culture we are expanding is one in which competition is always present, yet, at the same time, there is room for everyone. But in a culture like that, even those who don't fight respect fighting. That's what we are looking for... But to expect everyone to be a pro fighter is a little much

I think its a good idea! Are you sticking with the US? or are you looking to expand internationally? I know there is a promotion for San Shou (Im assuming that this is the same as San Da, forgive me if im wrong!) here in the UK.

Yours,
Beev

I'm taking things a few steps at a time, ie for right now we'll be mostly interested in the US... but thanks for asking

my artist friend did a GREAT JOB with our logo

san da training systems logo

Mark Negron also sells DVDs of fights and his own "Black Mark" fighting clothing... visit him at www.MarkNegron.com

let's see if this works