Sanshou advice (from email)

Round kicks are the easiest kicks to catch (Muay Thai people please stop reading now LOL! sorry, I'm having fun)

A round kick to the thigh is caught one of two ways. Either you step forward or you step back.

People are scared to step forward in general, but the reality is that stepping forward is very safe. A kick, especially round kick, is powerful at ITS END. Stand in place and try to catch a thigh kick and it is gonna HURT, sorry dudes, that's the truth. Shuffle in as they kick and the kick really will "land behind you". Here is another IMPORTANT POINT, cross as hard and as straight as you can while you shuffle in. Hitting the kicker as they kick greatly reduces the impact of their kick and takes them off balance. So, shuffle in, cross, and lastly pin the kick to your hip as you shuffle in. That's the main course, what you do after that is "gravy". Plow them off the Lei Tai or into the ropes, kick out the supporting leg, spin them by the neck, etc

A nifty catch is to shuffle back as they kick the leg and with your lead hand simply scoop the kick. You know they are trying to kick your leg so simply withdraw the leg out of the way and scoop where your leg used to be. Again, what you do after is just "gravy"

dear ýkfmdc,

ý think to get proper skills in throws the best way is to join an "olympic style wrestling" instead of following any other discipline...you can improve the skills how to throw the opponent in optimum way in a very short time...

just join for a period and you will be surprised with your new throw and not being thrown ability & skills...however, ý think the best optimum way would be to learn learn this from good experienced trainers who have taught many champs (may be russian,mongolian,turkish trainers, but not chinese since they are not well in wrestling/proof: there isn't any famous wrestler from china in the history...)

you can enjoy the benefits of your new improved skills to maximum in your sanda or san shou fights...

ah..this s funny...only u two in this canvas.. well.. i m not going to step in..just be a good spectator then...

dear fighter blues,

you can join and also have some fun ,since it is a funny way to hear that "shuhai Jiao" is very famous and known as a wrestling discipline for many years...if not felt ashamed, some people may argue that the roots of wrestling arts in the world have been originated from " chinese wrestling"...

DEAR LKFMDC,

I HAVE ALSO FORGOTTEN TO TELL:

IF YOU KNOW THE BEST EXCELLENT WAY HOW TO THROW AND IF YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE IN PUNCHING,KICKING WAYS YOU CAN THROW WHEN YOU GET CLOSE,CLINCH OR EMBRACE...WHAT YOU NEED IS JUST TO KNOW HOW TO THROW PROPERLY, THAT IS A DIFFERENT STEP AND YOUR SANDA PEOPLE CAN USE AGAINST MUAY THAI FIGHTERS...YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS BETTER AS A SANDA PRACTIONER...

IF THE SUBJECT WOULD BE SPECIAL TECHNICS,THEN YOU HAVE OF COURSE TO LEARN THIS FROM PROVEN SUCCESSFUL DISCIPLINES AND TRAINERS:

*IF THE SUBJECT IS "LOW KICK" THEN YOU HAVE TO LEARN IT FROM THAI ORV BURMASE ARTS...

*IF THE SUBJECT IS TO PUNCH ,THEN WESTERN BOXING...

*IF THROWS THEN WRESTLING WITHOUT ANY GI OR CLOTHES ,SINCE MOSTLY PEOPLE DO NOT WEAR CLOTHES IN RING FIGHTS...

-IF GROUND FIGHT ,THEN BRASILIAN JIU JUTSU OR NHB,PANKRATION,WRESTLING SUPPLEMENTED WITH THEIR ORIGINS WITH CHOKES...

AM I WRONG?

WAS IT NOT THE SAME WHAT SANDA PEOPLE DO ?TO COLLECT THE ADVANTAGES OF EACH STYLE AND TO MAKE A SYNTHESIS ABOUT...OF COURSE, YOU CAN DO THIS ,BUT BY NEVER MENTIONING THAT THE TECHNICS OF THIS ART IS:

"VERY OLD AND TRADITIONAL!" OTHERWISE, PEOPLE WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT:

"WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN FOR MANY YEARS, JUST APPEARED IN A FEW YEARS AGO?"

DEAR LKFMDC

I AM 42 YEARS OLD HAVE A DEEP GLOBAL KNOWLEDGE ABOUT MARTIAL ARTS AND THEIR GROWTH AND DEVELOPEMENT,INFLUENCES ETC...

IF THE SUBJECT IS ABOUT "THROWS",OF COURSE PEOPLE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT BEST WAY OF THROWS... IF THE SUBJECT IS THE "WRESTLING" THEN OF COURSE PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO TALK ABOUT "WRESTLING ORIGIN"...

ASK PEOPLE IN THE WORLD FROM JUST STREET:

-DID THEY KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT "CHINESE WRESTLING-SHUHAI JIAO"...MOST PROBABLY YOU WILL GET ANSWERS:"OLYMPIC STYLE,GRECO ROMEN, SAMBO, MONGOLIAN WRESTLING, INDIAN WRESTLING, TURKISH WRESTLING,JUDO, JIU JITSU,JAPANESE STYLE WRESTLINGS,SAMBO,AMERICAN CATCH,PANKRATION,SCOTTISH ETC..." BUT NEVER "CHINESE WRESTLING"...MAY BE THEY HEARD "CHINESE BOXING"...

-OF COURSE, I APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS OF CHINESE MARTIAL ART ENVIRONMENT IN GETTING THE HONOUR BACK AND TO SHOW SOMETHING TO THE WORLD...BUT, WHAT STRANGE TO ME AND TO MOST OF PEOPLE IS THAT THEY ARE OFTEN EXCHAGERATE THAT MANY THINGS ARE VERY TRADITIONAL AND COMING FROM ANCIENT CHINESE HISTORY...WHY JUST NOT TO SAY "SANDA OR SAN SHOU IS A VERY MODERN HYBRID MARTAL ART SYSTEM ERECTED BY CHINA"...

WITH KIND REGARDS,
ERCAN

DEAR IKFMDC,

I WOULD LIKE FIRST TO MAKE CLEAR THAT THESE ARE ONLY MY COMMENTS AND REALITIES OBSERVED ONLY BY ME...AND THEY ARE NOT BINDING ANYBODY'S IDEAS OR BELIEF...IN THE MEANTIME, I TRIED TO SHOW SOMETHING AS YOU WANTED TO SHOW SOMETHING,AS WELL...
HOWEVER, AS THE SAME HAPPENED ALWAYS WITH THE CHINESE STYLE PRACTIONEERS(I THINK THAT YOU ARE ALSO ONE OF THEM), THE ARGUING ORIGIN IS ALWAYS SEEN AS OPPONENT AND ATTACKED BY SWEARWORDS...

HOWEVER, ALL OF THE WORLD KNOWS:

-THERE ISN'T ANY SUCCESS IN THE HISTORY ABOUT CHINESE WRESTLERS (THAT MEANS THERE WILL BE NOT ANY BEST THROWERS FROM THIS ENVIRONMENT UNLESS THEY WILL BE SUCCESSFUL IN WRESTLING TYPES KNOWN INTERNATIONALY...)

-TWO YEARS AGO, SOME WRESTLERS,JIU JITSU,JUDO EXPERTS FROM EAST HAVE VISITED OUR COUNTRY IN ORDER TO TEST THEIR WRESTLING AND THROW ABILITIES AGAINST "OIL WRESTLERS"...DO YOU WANT TO KNOW THE RESULTS?..THEY HAVE BEEN JUST PLAYED LIKE TOYS,THROWN AND PULLED LIKE BOTTLES...

-WHAT MAKES ME ANGRY ALSO, TO GET RESULTS AGAINST SOME KYOKUSHIN AND JUDOKAS IS NOT ENOUGH TO JUDGE ...FIRST OF ALL, MAY WE KNOW WHO WERE THESE SOME GUYS BEATEN BY THE SAN SHOU EXPERTS?

-IF THESE FIGHTERS ARE SO WELL WITH THEIR THROWS AND WRESTLING SKILLS, WHY ARE THEY NOT PARTICIPATING NHB OR VALE TUDO EVENTS? THERE IS GOOD AWARD WAITING FOR THEM...(SINCE THESE EXPERTS KNOW ALSO PUNCHING,KICKING,GRABBLING TO THE BEST,THERE ISN'T ANYTHING LEFT !)

HENCE, I WOULDN'T LIKE TO EXCHAGERATE SOME THINGS "THAT THEY WERE SO EXCELLENT ,BUT SORRY FORGOTTEN IN THE HISTORY AND IT'S TIME TO PROMOTE IN COMPETITIVE WAY..."
WE NEED STRONG PROOFS IF THE SUBJECT IS "THE TRADITION."!.

WITH KIND REGARDS,
ERCAN

ercan wrote"AM I WRONG?"ANSWER: YESSo wrong, and yet so convinced you are right that there is not point in arguing with you. have a nice dayLKFMDC

First off dude, STOP SCREAMING, typing in all caps is rude, got it?

Now, let's deal with what you wrote

1. I didn't curse you in any way, so cut out saying that.

2. Chinese martial arts are full of throws and the tradition of Shuai Jiao (Chinese wrestling) is very famous. Just because you are ignorant of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. How old are you? It's very childish to assume that people can't throw just because you haven't heard about it!

You suggested people learn with Olympic wrestling coaches. So here's my question to you, what do you think an Olympic free style wrestling coach will say when you ask him "how do I throw then the guy is trying to punch, elbow, knee and kick me?"

Answer: he'll probably give you a stare since none of those things a legal in what he does. Just like asking a Muay Thai person how he defends against a shoulder throw, in Muay Thai the shoulder throw is illegal and he doesn't deal with it. However, in San Shou and San Da we throw in an environment where these things can and do happen

3. You failed to mention what country you are from but from the oil wrestling reference one can assume it's Turkey? So a bunch of guys came and didn't know how to wrestle in leather pants while covered in oil.

Doesn't have much relevance to ANYTHING discussed here.

Did the oil wrestlers put on Judo Gi and fight Judoka?

Did they get on their knees and roll with Brazilian Jujistu people?

Did they put on boxing gloves and grapple with San Shou people while the San Shou people hit them?

By the way, there are over 79 nations who have San Shou teams and compete in the world san shou championships, but Turkey isn't one of them. So your country isn't exactly a hot bed of San Shou wisdom is it?

4. Dude, I don't care if you are angry. That's your "problem". You made some stupid and ignorant comments so you have to live with the consequences

5. Can I ask you when YOU are going to enter MMA since you know so much? How about your fabulous oil wrestlers?

(this is a trick question, only dweeps think the entire world revolves around MMA events, dude, get a life)

Have a nice day

LKFMDC

Ercan,
I don't know if you are trying to be helpful or trying to be a wise ass. But San Shou and San Da people know many, many, many ways to throw and block throws and as far as COMBAT wrestling is concerned, the Chinese tradition of Shuai Jiao has produced many great fighters including Chang Tugn Sheng. Chang fought a challenge match at 67 vs a Kyokushinkai and Judo champion to show the King of Morrocco how effective what he did was. He KO'd both guys.

Ercan is such a funny guy! He amuses me so much :) On one hand he insults Shuai Jiao by saying that since it isn't well known how could it be any good? On the other hand he keeps talking about Turkish oil wrestling which 99.5% of the world has never heard of and most people would think is some sort of gay pornography!!

Ercan are you a trainer of these oil wrestlers? Or a promoter? You ready to fly in a team, put them up and organize the event? Otherwise your "challenge" is internet trolling.

You have yet to establish anything about yourself to prove we should take ANYTHING you say seriously. Everything you have said so far shows you have NO CLUE what you are talking about. Your level of ignorance is ASTOUNDING! Yet, like most internet trolls, you are so sure you are right. You're a joke.

dear takada4life,

ok that was the way ý would like to touch...

what do you mean with saying that sanda people have beaten all of the nation fighters...are you arguing that was happened:

-was the challenge between the best of the other disciplines under modified rules?(ý mean did the lumpini champs,or champs of holland kick boxing fought under modified -both side accepted rules, or were these guys from an average level of those disciplines? may be some just collected fighters )in order to talk about the strength of an art over others you have to challenge the best of others and keep the level high for a long period ...may ý have the right just to invite an average skilled kyokushin fighter group to fight against a -class mt fighters under some modified rules and then say "ok guys, we mt people have destroyed kyokushinkai!.." do we have this right?

-secondly,were those fighters from other nations just fought under only sanda or san shou rules?

-thirdly, as far as ý know in my country there are many people dealing with chinese styles and san shou or sanda section (if they not challenge in big events it is their problem...)

-fourthly, why always you chinese style practicals always saying such things?:
"the sanda people have beaten all others..."

are the other disciplines arguing in this way...never!...

Ercan, if I give you a dollar, will you buy yourself a clue?

"as far as I know in my country there are many people dealing with chinese styles and san shou or sanda section"

As far as you know, your aunt might be your uncle...

Ercan,

the Sanda people have already challenged the French, Koreans, Japanese, and Thais and beaten them. They won mainly by kicks and throwing (Shuai Jiao).
Why don't you try to arrange for your country to fight in the King of Sanda tournament..

"as reported by Sheng's top student"... eh Lemon?

Jeng Hin Ping is considered one of the best Shuai Jiao people ever and was good friends with CHANG (for being such a "expert" don't you realize his last name is Chang and his given name "Tung Sheng" so you cut his name in half!). He told this story to me personally and it was one Judoka and one Kyokushinkai person. David Lin of Atlanta, considered Chang's best fighter, told the story like this also in Inside Kung Fu Magazine. I"ll look it up and scan it if you really want to make an issue of it. So who told you it was a TKD person?

ok,dear lfmdc,

as far as ý understand the concern is still "shuhai jiao"(chinese wrestling :if ý am not mistaken...)

if so, ok my dear ý invite those "shuhai jiao" wrestling experts to examine their skills against our wrestlers (as you are blaming our wrestling types)...come and challenge against those type of wrestlers (we have only just:"traditional karakucak style (without oil),oil wrestlers, olympic style and greko romen,that's all...and of course modified rules can be arranged in common ,but of course again in wrestling sense...ý would like to see their wrestling abilities as in the past many stylist from the wrestling area did...

my dear, why are you making always things into "legend-myth" forms, only just a few people in the world may trace this wrestling type and of course if deep concentrated in chinese martial arts...

in the meantime,if the subject is wrestling, why have those experts didn't assist people of chinese olympic or greko romen wrestling teams so that they may win some medals for their country...they could easily show some strategy,tactics,technics and they could win and get the good prizes...wouldn't it be so easy?

ý do not want to touch the subject that this famous person has destroyed two opponents "one kyokushinkai and judoka",since the matter is not clear about:

-who were these kyokushinkai and judoka people?
-under which rules?
-did he destroy them seperately or together?
-the information is just from "inside kung fu magazine"?

my dear, ý have been listening many myths -legendary things, some of them may be true to some extent,but many just myths, not the reality...

Hmm

Gotta love pissing contests.

Lots of info here though.

Chang Tung Sheng fought a 6 ft TKD expert who was the King's bodyguard as was reported by Sheng's top student LOL, dunno where u got the kyukoshin and Judoka from!

Ercan,Please do some of the research yourself .. Here's a link http://members.tripod.com/~crane69/

LOL...too funny.

lkfmdc,

Great techniques. Oddly enough, I just spent two hours last week working a similar counter to the round kick to the leg, although it ends with a nice right had to the face.

Leaning in on the front leg, when done correctly, is a VERY effective counter to a round kick. It takes some learning, though. I usually start people out light and get them used to the idea of getting kicked frist and work up from there...I find it makes it easier to teach te footwork involved when the fighter isn't worried about getting pummeled.

Any thoughts?