Rambo John J -Exactly!Steven McTowelie -sgotwalks -.
^ Of course there is no shame in what she is doing...............the only shame is if she has to do it.
meanwhile....
jTheHybridwolff -Somebody has $800. Seriously, that's how much it cost my friend to fill the driveway when he threw a "Frozen" birthday party for his 7 year old daughter.Rambo John J -Exactly!Steven McTowelie -sgotwalks -.
^ Of course there is no shame in what she is doing...............the only shame is if she has to do it.
meanwhile....
vu -- cool pic, thanks for sharing
luctaro -Chromium -horsemeat grew my head -Shane Carwin had a job as an engineer. That's not just a job, that's a solid career one can come back to after fighting and do until your 70 getting good money while using your brain. He also held onto that job by choice, taking breaks or scaling back his work as required, because his employers were evidently cool people and understood he was the fucking Interim UFC World Heavyweight Champion.jTheHybridwolff -Yeah, especially for women not named Ronda Rousey but even men, Shane Carwin comes to mind.sgotwalks -Problem is Sharah is to the Ufc marketing machine she is average looking she's not as marketable as Paige V but has done a ton more in and for the sport if your not a "Face" the Ufc can plaster everywhere you're not going to get an individual sponsorship from Reebok and its a shame .. And imo i think Sarah is beautiful.....jTheHybridwolff - Awesome pic ! Love Sarah .. goes to show the reality of how some fighters in the Ufc still have to work a "real" job to survive ... even former champions and current contenders War Kaufman!!!
That's what I was thinking. You would never find a boxer who has fought for a world title working as event staff at a small music festival, and it's a shame Sarah and others aren't earning their value. On the other hand, she is a great gal and I'm sure she enjoys herself doing whatever she does.
This is very different from having to work retail or as a bouncer or cobbling together event security gigs to make ends meet.
It'd be one thing if you were new to the UFC and not a sure thing, then getting extra work beyond at the gym you train and the occasional seminar would be normal. When you're a veteran top 10
fighter (or in Sarah's case a former World Champion), or a rising star, or a long time fan favorite, then it's fucking shameful that the UFC doesn't compensate them with enough money to focus on training full time. I get that they do it because they can. I get that in theory they could pay their middle 50% of the roster even worse. Doesn't make it any less shameful. Luckily sponsors can help veterans and hot prospects pay the bills oh wait.
You make it sound like she is this UFC vet and former UFC champion or something.... she has 3 UFC fights in her career, with a 1-1-1 record.
Her championship title and and her Honda title shot were under Strikeforce which according to the UG paid so very well.
Her Championship was the same title that Ronda holds today, and she's still one of the top 10 in the world, in a division that matters. She's also actually 4-2-1 under Zuffa (17-3-1 overall) but that's beside the point.
The fact is, anyone ranked that high with that much enduring credibility in their division, whether they started with the UFC or not, shouldn't have to get outside work to fight in the UFC. No one even close to that should.
I get that it's a free market. I get that the UFC has done a tremendous amount for the sport. They still wouldn't exist without the fighters though, and they're shooting themselves in the foot by not paying better. They could have become that holy grail of MMA, that peerless Major Leagues where all the best fight the best, where everyone with a tiny bit of tenure is taken care of, where you can be a fighter and just a fighter because you've joined the elite and are treated like it. It's sad that the UFC still falls short of all that, when it's been in sight for years now.
Rambo John J -Jon Jones' house?Steven McTowelie -sgotwalks -.
^ Of course there is no shame in what she is doing...............the only shame is if she has to do it.
meanwhile....
Sarah Kaufman is awesome. Your brother has tiny girl hands.
Bryan72 -Rambo John J -Jon Jones' house?Steven McTowelie -sgotwalks -.
^ Of course there is no shame in what she is doing...............the only shame is if she has to do it.
meanwhile....
LMAO I bet this joke has been done before when posting this pic, but I must have missed it. VU for making me laugh. War Jones though.
sgotwalks -
My brother-in-law bumped into Sarah at a music festival in Victoria over the weekend.
Sgotwalks,
Thank you for posting this picture. If you dont mind, I posted this picture in the WMMA discussion thread and gave you full credit. If this is an issue please let me know and I will remove it. Thanks
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Rikimaru - Sarah Kaufman is awesome. Your brother has tiny girl hands.
strange looking fist for sure hahah
Rikimaru - Sarah Kaufman is awesome. Your brother has tiny girl hands.
lol holy shit @ that baby fist.
Also there is zero shame in working a regular job. Plus event security at an event like that seems like a pretty chill job..I've seen people avoid regular work to protect their egos and they just end up unemployable, with no work experience.
CRE -You get a free weekend pass to the festival and it's real popular in the area.Rikimaru - Sarah Kaufman is awesome. Your brother has tiny girl hands.
lol holy shit @ that baby fist.
Also there is zero shame in working a regular job. Plus event security at an event like that seems like a pretty chill job..I've seen people avoid regular work to protect their egos and they just end up unemployable, with no work experience.
Great weather too this weekend.
People actually enjoy working these events. It's not a bad gig
LOL! Her fist is bigger than his!
Chromium -First off, Ronda holds the UFC Bantamweight belt which is in no way the same as a Strikeforce belt. That's like saying that Werdum and Fedor hold the same belt.luctaro -Chromium -horsemeat grew my head -Shane Carwin had a job as an engineer. That's not just a job, that's a solid career one can come back to after fighting and do until your 70 getting good money while using your brain. He also held onto that job by choice, taking breaks or scaling back his work as required, because his employers were evidently cool people and understood he was the fucking Interim UFC World Heavyweight Champion.jTheHybridwolff -Yeah, especially for women not named Ronda Rousey but even men, Shane Carwin comes to mind.sgotwalks -Problem is Sharah is to the Ufc marketing machine she is average looking she's not as marketable as Paige V but has done a ton more in and for the sport if your not a "Face" the Ufc can plaster everywhere you're not going to get an individual sponsorship from Reebok and its a shame .. And imo i think Sarah is beautiful.....jTheHybridwolff - Awesome pic ! Love Sarah .. goes to show the reality of how some fighters in the Ufc still have to work a "real" job to survive ... even former champions and current contenders War Kaufman!!!
That's what I was thinking. You would never find a boxer who has fought for a world title working as event staff at a small music festival, and it's a shame Sarah and others aren't earning their value. On the other hand, she is a great gal and I'm sure she enjoys herself doing whatever she does.
This is very different from having to work retail or as a bouncer or cobbling together event security gigs to make ends meet.
It'd be one thing if you were new to the UFC and not a sure thing, then getting extra work beyond at the gym you train and the occasional seminar would be normal. When you're a veteran top 10
fighter (or in Sarah's case a former World Champion), or a rising star, or a long time fan favorite, then it's fucking shameful that the UFC doesn't compensate them with enough money to focus on training full time. I get that they do it because they can. I get that in theory they could pay their middle 50% of the roster even worse. Doesn't make it any less shameful. Luckily sponsors can help veterans and hot prospects pay the bills oh wait.
You make it sound like she is this UFC vet and former UFC champion or something.... she has 3 UFC fights in her career, with a 1-1-1 record.
Her championship title and and her Honda title shot were under Strikeforce which according to the UG paid so very well.
Her Championship was the same title that Ronda holds today, and she's still one of the top 10 in the world, in a division that matters. She's also actually 4-2-1 under Zuffa (17-3-1 overall) but that's beside the point.
The fact is, anyone ranked that high with that much enduring credibility in their division, whether they started with the UFC or not, shouldn't have to get outside work to fight in the UFC. No one even close to that should.
I get that it's a free market. I get that the UFC has done a tremendous amount for the sport. They still wouldn't exist without the fighters though, and they're shooting themselves in the foot by not paying better. They could have become that holy grail of MMA, that peerless Major Leagues where all the best fight the best, where everyone with a tiny bit of tenure is taken care of, where you can be a fighter and just a fighter because you've joined the elite and are treated like it. It's sad that the UFC still falls short of all that, when it's been in sight for years now.
How much does Kaufman make? I don't know, but I do know that it might be a little bit unrealistic to ask for 6 figures a year for the #10 ranked female Bantamweight in the world when her record since August 2012 is 2-2-1 with both of those wins being by decision and one of them via split. Hell, if Eye doesn't test positive for weed, Sarah's 2-3. I understand that she could just as easily be 3-2, but a couple of punches here and there and it's just as easy for her to be 1-4.
How much per fight do you think that the UFC should be paying her? I remember back in 2004 people were saying that if Zuffa could just do a baseline of 10/10 it would allow a fighter to train full-time if they won 2x their first year.
Considering the amount of fighters in the promotion, the lack of depth in the division, a desire to keep themselves profitable, if you were running Zuffa how much would you pay the #10 female BW in the world?
Chromium -luctaro -Chromium -horsemeat grew my head -Shane Carwin had a job as an engineer. That's not just a job, that's a solid career one can come back to after fighting and do until your 70 getting good money while using your brain. He also held onto that job by choice, taking breaks or scaling back his work as required, because his employers were evidently cool people and understood he was the fucking Interim UFC World Heavyweight Champion.jTheHybridwolff -Yeah, especially for women not named Ronda Rousey but even men, Shane Carwin comes to mind.sgotwalks -Problem is Sharah is to the Ufc marketing machine she is average looking she's not as marketable as Paige V but has done a ton more in and for the sport if your not a "Face" the Ufc can plaster everywhere you're not going to get an individual sponsorship from Reebok and its a shame .. And imo i think Sarah is beautiful.....jTheHybridwolff - Awesome pic ! Love Sarah .. goes to show the reality of how some fighters in the Ufc still have to work a "real" job to survive ... even former champions and current contenders War Kaufman!!!
That's what I was thinking. You would never find a boxer who has fought for a world title working as event staff at a small music festival, and it's a shame Sarah and others aren't earning their value. On the other hand, she is a great gal and I'm sure she enjoys herself doing whatever she does.
This is very different from having to work retail or as a bouncer or cobbling together event security gigs to make ends meet.
It'd be one thing if you were new to the UFC and not a sure thing, then getting extra work beyond at the gym you train and the occasional seminar would be normal. When you're a veteran top 10
fighter (or in Sarah's case a former World Champion), or a rising star, or a long time fan favorite, then it's fucking shameful that the UFC doesn't compensate them with enough money to focus on training full time. I get that they do it because they can. I get that in theory they could pay their middle 50% of the roster even worse. Doesn't make it any less shameful. Luckily sponsors can help veterans and hot prospects pay the bills oh wait.
You make it sound like she is this UFC vet and former UFC champion or something.... she has 3 UFC fights in her career, with a 1-1-1 record.
Her championship title and and her Honda title shot were under Strikeforce which according to the UG paid so very well.
Her Championship was the same title that Ronda holds today, and she's still one of the top 10 in the world, in a division that matters. She's also actually 4-2-1 under Zuffa (17-3-1 overall) but that's beside the point.
The fact is, anyone ranked that high with that much enduring credibility in their division, whether they started with the UFC or not, shouldn't have to get outside work to fight in the UFC. No one even close to that should.
I get that it's a free market. I get that the UFC has done a tremendous amount for the sport. They still wouldn't exist without the fighters though, and they're shooting themselves in the foot by not paying better. They could have become that holy grail of MMA, that peerless Major Leagues where all the best fight the best, where everyone with a tiny bit of tenure is taken care of, where you can be a fighter and just a fighter because you've joined the elite and are treated like it. It's sad that the UFC still falls short of all that, when it's been in sight for years now.
I wonder what the pay was for those other "major leagues" 20 years into their existence.
I mean there is no way a Super Bowl era player would have worked a second job 40 years after the formation of the NFL right?
"A Cleveland Plain Dealer story told the story of how almost all Browns players worked second jobs in the early 1960s during the six-month off-season to supplement their income."
http://operations.nfl.com/the-players/evolution-of-the-nfl-player/
TopGrinder - Sarah is awesome. She is just a nice person which is rare for fighters these days who are just me me me.My buddies kids go to her class. He said she's amazing always super gracious and nice.
She teaches classes for little kids even. Great role model.
Sunkist1207 -sgotwalks -
My brother-in-law bumped into Sarah at a music festival in Victoria over the weekend.
Sgotwalks,
Thank you for posting this picture. If you dont mind, I posted this picture in the WMMA discussion thread and gave you full credit. If this is an issue please let me know and I will remove it. Thanks
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/ns/thread/2447832/WMMA-Discussion-Thread/?forum=1&thread=2447832&&page=1#post-54152011
Hey, no worries bud............thanks for checking in, but I would never have an issue with something like that. Cool to share!!
Rikimaru - Sarah Kaufman is awesome. Your brother has tiny girl hands.
LMAO!!! It's my 'brother-in-law' actually, in the truth of the matter is him and his brothers and father don't really have small hands, I think he is just doing a weird fist..........look, no thumb visible. I am pretty sure he has never been in a fight so the fist thing may not come naturally, but yes, this is funny!!
Never_rolled -Chromium -What you are saying doesn't make sense. She fights once twice a year? Nobody is buying a PPV to see her fight. I understand you like her and you are a fan but you think the UFC is suppose to support her the entire year? She isn't a needle-mover as someone likes to say. I don't know what she gets paid but she agreed to it so she is paid what her value is. Most fighters have second jobs. Unless you are in the top tier fighting a couple times a year doesn't pay all your bills. If we lived in this fairytale world you think should exist with fighters not having to have second jobs PPV's would be $200 and nobody would by them. I am sure you have good intentions but the adult world doesn't work the way you envision.luctaro -Chromium -horsemeat grew my head -Shane Carwin had a job as an engineer. That's not just a job, that's a solid career one can come back to after fighting and do until your 70 getting good money while using your brain. He also held onto that job by choice, taking breaks or scaling back his work as required, because his employers were evidently cool people and understood he was the fucking Interim UFC World Heavyweight Champion.jTheHybridwolff -Yeah, especially for women not named Ronda Rousey but even men, Shane Carwin comes to mind.sgotwalks -Problem is Sharah is to the Ufc marketing machine she is average looking she's not as marketable as Paige V but has done a ton more in and for the sport if your not a "Face" the Ufc can plaster everywhere you're not going to get an individual sponsorship from Reebok and its a shame .. And imo i think Sarah is beautiful.....jTheHybridwolff - Awesome pic ! Love Sarah .. goes to show the reality of how some fighters in the Ufc still have to work a "real" job to survive ... even former champions and current contenders War Kaufman!!!
That's what I was thinking. You would never find a boxer who has fought for a world title working as event staff at a small music festival, and it's a shame Sarah and others aren't earning their value. On the other hand, she is a great gal and I'm sure she enjoys herself doing whatever she does.
This is very different from having to work retail or as a bouncer or cobbling together event security gigs to make ends meet.
It'd be one thing if you were new to the UFC and not a sure thing, then getting extra work beyond at the gym you train and the occasional seminar would be normal. When you're a veteran top 10
fighter (or in Sarah's case a former World Champion), or a rising star, or a long time fan favorite, then it's fucking shameful that the UFC doesn't compensate them with enough money to focus on training full time. I get that they do it because they can. I get that in theory they could pay their middle 50% of the roster even worse. Doesn't make it any less shameful. Luckily sponsors can help veterans and hot prospects pay the bills oh wait.
You make it sound like she is this UFC vet and former UFC champion or something.... she has 3 UFC fights in her career, with a 1-1-1 record.
Her championship title and and her Honda title shot were under Strikeforce which according to the UG paid so very well.
Her Championship was the same title that Ronda holds today, and she's still one of the top 10 in the world, in a division that matters. She's also actually 4-2-1 under Zuffa (17-3-1 overall) but that's beside the point.
The fact is, anyone ranked that high with that much enduring credibility in their division, whether they started with the UFC or not, shouldn't have to get outside work to fight in the UFC. No one even close to that should.
I get that it's a free market. I get that the UFC has done a tremendous amount for the sport. They still wouldn't exist without the fighters though, and they're shooting themselves in the foot by not paying better. They could have become that holy grail of MMA, that peerless Major Leagues where all the best fight the best, where everyone with a tiny bit of tenure is taken care of, where you can be a fighter and just a fighter because you've joined the elite and are treated like it. It's sad that the UFC still falls short of all that, when it's been in sight for years now.
I thought Chromium made a great post. There are plenty of boxers on undercards who are not the attrraction, and nobody is buying the ppv to see them, but they are making significantly more than the UFC's undercard fighters. If you take a perrenial top ten boxer who has fought all the best in his division, has a solid winning record, and is performing on the undercard of a ppv, I guarantee you their purse puts Sarah's averge take home to shame, even if they are not a draw by personality and marketing flash.
Fleetwood_Mac_Danzig -TopGrinder - Sarah is awesome. She is just a nice person which is rare for fighters these days who are just me me me.My buddies kids go to her class. He said she's amazing always super gracious and nice.
She teaches classes for little kids even. Great role model.
Shes an awesome teacher, always happy.
Chromium says:
"Her Championship was the same title that Ronda holds today, and she's still one of the top 10 in the world, in a division that matters. She's also actually 4-2-1 under Zuffa (17-3-1 overall) but that's beside the point.
The fact is, anyone ranked that high with that much enduring credibility in their division, whether they started with the UFC or not, shouldn't have to get outside work to fight in the UFC. No one even close to that should.
I get that it's a free market. I get that the UFC has done a tremendous amount for the sport. They still wouldn't exist without the fighters though, and they're shooting themselves in the foot by not paying better. They could have become that holy grail of MMA, that peerless Major Leagues where all the best fight the best, where everyone with a tiny bit of tenure is taken care of, where you can be a fighter and just a fighter because you've joined the elite and are treated like it. It's sad that the UFC still falls short of all that, when it's been in sight for years now."
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Chromium, are you serious? If so, you have problems, man. OK here we go:
-No her championship belt was not the same Ronda has you whacko. It was Strikeforce's. Ronda made about 2 million dollars in her last fight. Thats more than the entire payouts of all the Strikeforce fighters in the events where Sarah won&defended her belt, Sarah included of course. Thats the difference.
But if you still want to claim its the same then take it with Coker era Strikeforce, she was never champ under ZUFFA and they inherited her contract from them.
-The w135 division literally has no competition outside the UFC. Bellator is still trying to put together a w145 division and Invicta pays what? 5k?. Its a joke.
Fact is there are less than 5 fighters making around 50k in w135. No matter where you are ranked. AND THAT IS ABOUT 5 to 10 TIMES MORE THE OTHER FEW PROMOTIONS THAT HAVE THEIR WEIGHT CLASS ARE OFFERING THEM!!
-But thats not enough. What do you want then? She last fought in UFC 186, an event the media has speculated lost the UFC money(95-120k buyrate, a DJ fight.)
Should they take away money from Mcgregor to pay her more? To make you feel good inside? Should they give her the money they themselves won from working heir asses off in promoting UFC 189?
-And BTW do you even realize that the UFC doesnt want to be this peerless Major League crap you are talking about because they would get murdered by the Monopoly laws?
They love the fact that Bellator is able to compete with them for talent due to them not driving fighter payouts through the roof. Will probably save them in the upcoming suits filed against them.
-Theres so many things wrong in mma business, from contracts to payout tiers to brand freedom. Its an enourmous pile. WMMA payouts are at the bottom of importance in that pile. They are pretty much a charity the UFC keeps alive(INVICTA) because occasionally some hot chick fighters with marketability seep through.