FitchFan - My bad, I guess I was going transitive property.
And by the way, though you never said it bluntly, you alluded to the fact that Fitch would be easier to finish. Either way, Saunders would be crazy not to take this fight from a career standpoint, it can do nothing but help him.
someone questioned whether ellenberger was tougher than fitch and I pointed out that he had NEVER been finished with strikes while fitch has. You don't think we should take into account the fact that one guy hasn't ever been TKOed while one has when considering their relative "toughness"? I didn't say Fitch would be easier to finish, just that ben was less likely to be KOed by a guy with much less punching power who doesn't have a better chin.
your trolling is so obvious bro, trollgrade "fail"
Fitch is supposed to beat Saunders. If Ben loses, he can say "oh, I stepped up" and people like you will automatically believe him. Who would you rather have an MMA fight with, BRIAN, Jon Fitch or Jake Ellenberger? lmfao. Ellenberger would break your face
Mike Sanders - Fitch is supposed to beat Saunders. If Ben loses, he can say "oh, I stepped up" and people like you will automatically believe him. Who would you rather have an MMA fight with, BRIAN, Jon Fitch or Jake Ellenberger? lmfao. Ellenberger would break your face
You're calling me a troll? Somebody needs a hormone check...
And I love how you try to say that Ellenberger is tougher than Fitch because of one finish when he was new to the sport. When Jake has faced the same level of competition Fitch has you can compare who is tougher, until then STFU troll
FitchFan - You're calling me a troll? Somebody needs a hormone check...
LOL how the fuck would MY hormones determine whether your a troll or not? Troll post, I get it, but come on bro...try harder. your phonin it in
And I love how you try to say that Ellenberger is tougher than Fitch because of one finish when he was new to the sport. When Jake has faced the same level of competition Fitch has you can compare who is tougher, until then STFU troll
I didn't say Ellenberger was necessarily tougher but there is ZERO reason to think that fitch is "tougher" unless you mean "a more difficult fight" and not "tougher" in the normal sense. Why would anyone say Fitch is tougher and act like they know that for sure? Based on record one guy has been finished with strikes and one guy hasn't. Don't act like your intuitions overwhelm reality if you don't have anything funny to back it up with bro. This troll of yours has become stale
frontrowbrian - Mike Sanders - Fitch is supposed to beat Saunders. If Ben loses, he can say "oh, I stepped up" and people like you will automatically believe him. Who would you rather have an MMA fight with, BRIAN, Jon Fitch or Jake Ellenberger? lmfao. Ellenberger would break your face
Ellenberger has better one shot KO power but there's no comparison in resumes. Fitch is 11-0 in UFC taking out the GSP fight who is in a league of his own.
Fighting Fitch is basically forfeiting the possibility of getting your win bonus because Fitch always finds a way to win.
I can tell you that I've heard from some UFC fighters firsthand that they'd rather lose a decision against a wrestler than get KTFO. Shouldn't you have picked that up during one of your many conversations in the FRONT ROW, or does the sound of loud top 40-style rap music make it hard for you to hear people sitting around you? ;)
Mike Sanders - CRBMoney14 - Mike Sanders - FitchFan - Mike Sanders - ^^^Fitch has been KOed more and doesn't hit hard. IMO when Ellenberger said "we will see who has a chin!" Ben rethought the matchup
You're trying to act like Fitch has been KO'd a lot when he's never been KO'd? He was TKO'd 8 years ago if you're counting that. You're crazy if you think this fight will be easier for Saunders, Ellenberger lost to Carlos freaking Condit for goodness sakes.
Chances are Saunders will take less damage though, that I can see.
Fitch HAS been stopped/KOed more than Ellenberger has been, how can you argue that? BTW, why are you dissing Carlos Condit, because he had a close loss against a solid fighter dropping from 185 like Kampmann? lol
Your post is fighter bashing and may be eligible for deletion under this site's terms of service. Personally I would rather that foolish "troll" posts such as yours were left on here as an example to others of embarrassing online content but if this site's owners decide you should be banned I won't second guess their decision.
Why are you acting like Fitch is an easy fighter to finish?
He got KO'd in his 4th fight 8 years ago.
I dont see what was troll like in Fitchfans post.
Theres no doubt Fitch is a higher class of fighter then Ellenberger, though maybe not as dangerous
Who said he was easier to finish, troll? Don't bring that trolling around here. Ellenberger has been submitted more than Fitch has been finished in total so that would be a pretty FUCKING stupid thing to say if I HAD said it, BUT I DIDN'T and your a fuckin looser troll BITCH....probably BITCHFAN (not saying jon fitch is a bitch, fitch your cool with me, but fitchfan AKA BITCHfan is) under a diff. name?? yes
Fitch almost got str8 iced by Pierce in the last round, to say there is "NO" doubt he is better than Ellenberger is a joke, your a joke, this is a troll post of yours how did I forget?? fuck you
LOL You alright?
Ellenberger has only been submitted once and Fitch has been finished twice. But thats irrelevant anyway.
What is relevant is that you need to take a step back from the keyboard bro.
I think most people who follow MMA would agree that at this point in time theres is "NO" doubt that Fitch is better then Ellenberger
CRBMoney14 - LOL You alright?
Ellenberger has only been submitted once and Fitch has been finished twice. But thats irrelevant anyway.
What is relevant is that you need to take a step back from the keyboard bro.
I think most people who follow MMA would agree that at this point in time theres is "NO" doubt that Fitch is better then Ellenberger
LOL@your appeals to a silent majority in order to support your failed thesis
frontrowbrian - You're making Ellenberger out to be Anderson Silva. Get a grip
WTF are you talking about? lol. So because ellenberger is not 185 champ Anderson Silva ben can't possibly have taken his huge KO power advantage over fitch into consideration when deciding to step out of that matchup? bwahahahaha
btw if you want to get technical about it ellenberger has a better KO % than anderson ;)
I didn't say Ellenberger was necessarily tougher but there is ZERO reason to think that fitch is "tougher" unless you mean "a more difficult fight" and not "tougher" in the normal sense. Why would anyone say Fitch is tougher and act like they know that for sure? Based on record one guy has been finished with strikes and one guy hasn't. Don't act like your intuitions overwhelm reality if you don't have anything funny to back it up with bro. This troll of yours has become stale
Dude you haven't straight up made any legit claims, you keep alluding to stuff but don't have the balls to say it. You said:
someone questioned whether ellenberger was tougher than fitch and I pointed out that he had NEVER been finished with strikes while fitch has
So yah, you basically said he was tougher without ballsing up and saying it. I think it's impossible to tell who is "tougher" but I think everyone on here except for you is in agreement that Fitch is the better fighter and therefore a tougher fight.
FitchFan - Dude you haven't straight up made any legit claims, you keep alluding to stuff but don't have the balls to say it. You said:
someone questioned whether ellenberger was tougher than fitch and I pointed out that he had NEVER been finished with strikes while fitch has
So yah, you basically said he was tougher without ballsing up and saying it. I think it's impossible to tell who is "tougher" but I think everyone on here except for you is in agreement that Fitch is the better fighter and therefore a tougher fight.
LOL what a dumb bastard. Seriously bro try to make your trolling depend on something like a mental illness gimmick or even racism against an unusual ethnic group (e.g. eskimos) rather than these ridiculous inferences on your part which anyone to have read up until this point can see are clearly false.
If your post were serious, I would tell you that you had confused "stating one factor in favor of" a particular conclusion with some sort of silent, physically and/or mentally weak firm adherence to it. But it isn't, so I guess that won't be necessary?
BTW Yes at this stage it is probably impossible to tell who is tougher. However, in one important aspect of toughness determination (TKO losses) ellenberger is a point ahead of Fitch. Maybe if you took spent more time actually reading this thread rather than MMA.tv mailing "parker" asking for his sweaty jock(s) for what you call "research purposeS" you would actually be able to see that A)several other people on this thread think ellenberger is a tougher fight for saunders and B)there are some people who post here that DON'T want to be felt up in Fitch's "boiler room" while watching the first two rounds of his fight against mike pierce like you obviously do bro. Different folks and all that but don't assume everyone has your same sick desires and shoddy logic