Science is a Reigion

Found this quote in the comments of an article, and I find it interesting.

"Science is like religion in that lay people who do not have access to science are compelled to accept via faith what scientists say. To NOT accept facts of science in our current culture is a sign of insanity.

When it comes to truth, only scientists know that it is an ideal to which we continually strive to approach. The lay person does not have such knowledge. The lay person becomes the rabid zealot for whatever system of belief they have adopted, either religion or science.

The wish man knows what he does not know while the fool thinks he knows it all. As science becomes the dominant generator of truth, be prepared to deal with science zealots. Also be prepared to have many false scientists."

People like Nitecrawler and countless others on the OG will berate and personally attack anyone that doesn't exclusively subscribe to whatever the popular scientific opinion of the day is... Are people like him no different than people like EY? Blindly latching on to whatever suits their opinion online? EY prefers his online blogs, and Nitecrawler prefers his government-funded studies...

Not to pick on our beloved mod, but he seems to me to be the most clear case of science zealot on this forum, not that there's any shortage of them. And, for the record, I've never been a religious man. I'm actually inherently against the idea of organized religion.

Link to article: http://www.quantumdiaries.org/2013/11/01/is-science-just-another-religion/ Phone Post 3.0

"For almost a decade I've been appauled by people claiming that "if you don't trust science you're an idiot" or "Religion ha that's just for people who don't know facts!" or the really old "If you don't think I'm right you must be incompetent".
These arguments have been made by many scientific and religious fanatics alike.

Nowadays more and more people seem to confuse science with fact. Also there is the expression "to measure is to know" (at least in my language that is an expression). Although this is in part true this doesn't hold for the entire field of science and not even neccesarily for the most basic principles of science. Phone Post 3.0

Spelling is obviously not your reigion Phone Post 3.0

First of all let me state that I do not and can (probably) never know how you percieve the world as is the case for your ability to judge me.
Secondly even how you percieve the world changes during your lifetime as does it for me. Do you still remember how when you were young a kilometer seemed so large and tables seemed high etc.?

What we can do however is take an object (clone it) show it to everyone (which doesn't mean everyone has the same perception) and label that. This is for instance what we've done with a meter. Then we use a great invention called math to be able to do calculations with or about this object.
Up till now everything is fine ;) Phone Post 3.0

Great scientists can percieve things differently. Einstein for instance saw a relation between energy, mass and the speed of light. Something nobody at that time saw, and probably many still do not. The fact is however that his equation is accurately describing/predicting many galactical events and phenomenon.

But we must NEVER forget that all we do is describe the events in such a way that our (math) explaination of it can insanely closely (up the the point where we have full believe in it) show what will happen.

The fundations of science however is that we believe what we percieve and we assume that when our describtion of it is correct the physics behind it is too." Phone Post 3.0

^^^ From a Ted Talk Discussion. Link: http://www.ted.com/conversations/9998/science_is_a_religion.html Phone Post 3.0

Hauntedmemory - Spelling is obviously not your reigion Phone Post 3.0
Well, this is both ironic and confusing. Phone Post 3.0

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You assume people here are laymen.



Great work!

Wait, he was talking about having 12" hogs when he said that, right? Laymen? Phone Post 3.0

SpaceWizard -
Hauntedmemory - Spelling is obviously not your reigion Phone Post 3.0
Well, this is both ironic and confusing. Phone Post 3.0
Check your thread title for why I spelt it like that Phone Post 3.0

well this is fanfuckingtastic. Phone Post 3.0

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You assume people here are laymen.



Great work!

Wait, he was talking about having 12" hogs when he said that, right? Laymen? Phone Post 3.0


 



Look up laymen. You have google.



 

I'm aware, but please, clarify. You're saying there's more professional scientists here than laymen, or what? Phone Post 3.0

Hauntedmemory -
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Hauntedmemory - Spelling is obviously not your reigion Phone Post 3.0
    Well, this is both ironic and confusing. <img alt="Phone Post 3.0" border="0" src="/images/phone/apple.png" style="vertical-align:middle;" /></blockquote>
Check your thread title for why I spelt it like that <img alt="Phone Post 3.0" border="0" src="/images/phone/droid.png" style="vertical-align:middle;" /></blockquote>

Yikes, my bad, well maybe we can barter... Punctuation lessons for spelling lessons? Phone Post 3.0

Some of the most brilliant engineering resolutions I have seen during my career have come from QC inspectors with no degree.....

I prefer to allow whatever truth to come out from whatever source it arrives in. Labels and degrees don't define intelligence.

I also can see where expertise and study in a specific science will give better perspective on subject matter.

At the end of the day, those that seek to always learn, will do that. Those that think they know it all, will receive the reward of that thought process. Phone Post 3.0

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You assume people here are laymen.



Great work!

Wait, he was talking about having 12" hogs when he said that, right? Laymen? Phone Post 3.0


 



Look up laymen. You have google.



 

I'm aware, but please, clarify. You're saying there's more professional scientists here than laymen, or what? Phone Post 3.0


I am saying in the same way you assume people are say, fat in some arguments, you also assume there arent people here with advanced degrees in the sciences (not that EY is one of those). Thus you set up a self potential to disregard anyone that has a science thought you dont like or agree with by pretending you know enough to actually disregard said opinion, coming full circle taking on the role of a zealot as mentioned in the OP. 



 



 

Hahaha, Jesus Christ, man, will I ever be able to post anything on here without you coming in with some completely unrelated bullshit? I'm sorry I hit a nerve with you, or whatever it was, but I'm actually trying to have a discussion here. I joked with you, then asked a question that might have otherwise have generated a well-thought-out answer, but of course I get some pseudo-psychology shit about how you're sad that I called you fat. Anyway, not wasting any more time you. Phone Post 3.0

Harlem Savoy - Some of the most brilliant engineering resolutions I have seen during my career have come from QC inspectors with no degree.....

I prefer to allow whatever truth to come out from whatever source it arrives in. Labels and degrees don't define intelligence.

I also can see where expertise and study in a specific science will give better perspective on subject matter.

At the end of the day, those that seek to always learn, will do that. Those that think they know it all, will receive the reward of that thought process. Phone Post 3.0
What do you do for a living, if you don't mind my asking? Phone Post 3.0

SpaceWizard -
Harlem Savoy - Some of the most brilliant engineering resolutions I have seen during my career have come from QC inspectors with no degree.....

I prefer to allow whatever truth to come out from whatever source it arrives in. Labels and degrees don't define intelligence.

I also can see where expertise and study in a specific science will give better perspective on subject matter.

At the end of the day, those that seek to always learn, will do that. Those that think they know it all, will receive the reward of that thought process. Phone Post 3.0
What do you do for a living, if you don't mind my asking? Phone Post 3.0
Quality/Regulatory/Supplier management/Design Control, etc for Medical Device manufacturer.

Many hats. Phone Post 3.0

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Hi HS! How was your viewing partaay!?

The fights were so good that I enjoyed my party.

It would have been far better with Phooey, Garr and yourself though. Phone Post 3.0

Hauntedmemory - Spelling is obviously not your reigion Phone Post 3.0
LOL. Guess that makes two of you! Phone Post 3.0

Cutty McButts -
Hauntedmemory - Spelling is obviously not your reigion Phone Post 3.0
LOL. Guess that makes two of you! Phone Post 3.0
For all intensive porpoises, I think you missed his joke, moran! Phone Post 3.0

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        <span class="User-319383" id="userPost54120602">I am saying in the same way you assume people are say, fat in some arguments, you also assume there arent people here with advanced degrees in the sciences (not that EY is one of those). Thus you set up a self potential to disregard anyone that has a science thought you dont like or agree with by pretending you know enough to actually disregard said opinion, coming full circle taking on the role of a zealot as mentioned in the OP.&nbsp;</span></p>
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<span class="User-319383" id="userPost54120602">Hahaha, Jesus Christ, man, will I ever be able to post anything on here without you coming in with some completely unrelated bullshit? I'm sorry I hit a nerve with you, or whatever it was, but I'm actually trying to have a discussion here. I joked with you, then asked a question that might have otherwise have generated a well-thought-out answer, but of course I get some pseudo-psychology shit about how you're sad that I called you fat. Anyway, not wasting any more time you. <img alt="Phone Post 3.0" border="0" src="/images/phone/apple.png" style="vertical-align:middle;" /></span></blockquote>

 

You actually missed an important point, although I am not suprised.

 

If you take the stance that everyone here is a laymen and thus everyone that holds a science position is the equivalent of a religious zealot (rather than some very knowledgable people from diverse fields), you have also taken the position of a zealot thus shutting down all conversation. 

You can now disagree with any position held while maintaining any other position is religious in nature from no base of knowledge. Its quite a feat in cognitive kung-fu.

Do you even think?


 

Did I take any stance? On anything? Your whole argument is fucked.

I posted a quote, then linked it, then posted another quote on the same subject. I can't compete with you, man, I'm not on the UG 24/7 checking threads and posting. I'm not obsessed with my reputation here. I've never once sought out the block thing, but I googled it just for you. Peace! Phone Post 3.0