Scott Bessac OG MMA/Lion’s Den AMA

Scott, don’t let that guy keep you from posting.

I’m an old guy, 52 years, was always involved in martial arts and got into MMA when I saw UFC 2.

Guys today have no idea what it was like then. Finding people to train with, places to train, it wasn’t easy and the sport was brand new. People were still figuring how to train, what worked, and what was bullshit.

The guys I trained with did what we could, and much of that was beating the shit out of each other and anyone who showed up. It wasn’t even close to what the Lions Den did, but the idea was the same - learn to fight by fighting. Take your beatings to learn to give beatings.

Was it the best way for long term health ? No . But it made everyone hard, physically and mentally. You had to have a cruel streak and enjoy hurting people, because you’d get animals off the street coming in to test you.

Hearing the stories about how the most successful team in early MMA did it is great, and for us who have followed the sport since the beginning this is fascinating stuff.

The sport has evolved, for better and for worse,and that’s fine with me. That’s how life is. But today’s guys will never understand the old days and the old ways. It was a special moment in time. In a way, we were pioneers, vikings going to battle. Most , like me, never went far , we trained and fought in little shows and loved it, and that was enough.

Some though, like you, fought at the top. I probably speak for a lot of old timers here - thank you for taking your time to share some of the stories and insights that you have. Sincerely

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Tell us about some of the worst beatings you witnessed or took part of while locked up. What led to them and was there payback etc.

Can you tell us anything interesting or hard hitting about the Japanese yakuza?

I know your wife wanted you to earn more money but how exactly did you find bob shamrock’s home for kids, a job listing? Word or mouth?

Can you recognize other sociopaths and if so how many have you encountered in the mma world? I assume you don’t want to name names?

Thanks again for this thread.

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Not happening.

A good wrestler with my size having back mount with both hooks in spreading you out will do the trick.You can’t fight with your back.

Crowbar, I believe this all started from an auto correct, I believe Scott meant to type that he had Ken in a toe hold not a tongue hold. That’s why he said ken’s ankle was going to snap so Ken started hitting him.

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Actually I should have kept reading and I would have found that out but I jumped the gun when I read it.

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Fuck ! This is one of the best, most informative threads on the UG so fuck anyone trying to derail it! Hello Scott!

Some questions for the big guy:

How would you have approached a fight with Igor V.? I would have loved to see you guys clash. Also whats your opinion of Igor as a fighter himself. I also wouldve LOVED to see you throw down with Verlean’s(RIP) back in the day too. Two mountain sized men meeting in the middle til one drops.

You once fought Matt Hume, any opinion/stories of him? He just seems almost like an out of place nerd at the time in the NHB world, but he has skills. Does it tickle you at all to see him still coaching guys to championships today?

Any Joe-Son stories?

Did any of the guys you trained with over the years know your street shit/hired muscle deal or did you seperate those worlds entirely?

Worst beating you ever gave or took IN or out of the cage? And who gave it?

Who was the number one guy you wish they would have given you a shot at?

Even if you answer none of these thank you for being an OG in this sport! If it wasnt for guys like you doing it for the love of the fight there wouldn’t be billionaires pimping it out today…

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Who was the douchebag that got banned or had his posts removed?

Hillbo frate train

Incorrect.

He is not even frozen right now.

Great thread!

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see the thread on og

best thread on the UG in a decade. Thank you Scott

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LOL

I caught that the first time, figured he meant toe hold, and kept reading.

Didn’t bother pointing it out because the conversation was so entertaining!

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Shit.

I wake up to find Hilbo talking shit on a Scott Bassac AMA!

What the fuck?

This is why we can’t have nice things.

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@Gunthug1

Hey man thanks for taking the time to answer all of my questions!

Hilbo is always a negative douche. It’s his thing.

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Awesome thread! Thx guys

In. And as a fellow fighter and a fellow Norseman, thanks for this thread. What mma has become is a shame. Such is life.

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Kirik,Chris & Jason do your job and take out the trash.

Fantastic thread! Thanks for taking the time to do this. I like that you keep the dirt buried.

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Quite the badass.