What do you guys think? It seems like the wrestler had taken over mma, why do you guys think this is? 
Well said sir!!
Its not Jujitsu thats the problem, its the fighters themselves. We have seen a recent surge in "cookie cutter" fighters. Guys that all look, act and think the same. They learn striking basics and ground basics and jump into the cage.
When all you have to throw at your opponent on the ground is triangle, arm bar and a couple leg locks its pretty simple to counter.
The wrestler is still using BJJ to win so BJJ is still number 1!
The Wrestler gets it to the ground but from there it's the BJJ that he's been training that safes him.
Half the wrestlers that do well in MMA right now have atleast 3 to 10 years of BJJ training no gi or some gi.
I will say wrestlers that train BJJ do have an advantage because they can almost always gain top position and get the fight to the ground plus they have cardio like no other so they can set a gassing pace.
^^^^Hargreaves speaks the truth in my opinion. Once a wrestler finishes his college career and starts MMA its no longer folkstyle wrestling he is practicing, its BJJ.
What they bring to the party is a gas tank built over many years of training, a mindset that can only be obtained survivng the gauntlet that is college wrestling and the ability to get the take down.
They will also learn what needs to be learned to win at the game as it is played now without any emotional ties to martial arts dogma or notions of budo, traditions ect.
What Hargreaves said is true.
The wreslters use strength to get td's and also to keep someone pinned to the ground and smother them is from wrestling.
But they use BJJ in guard passing (yes, wrestlers can pass guard, lol) , defending submissions, using submissions, setting up submissions to make passing oppurtunities, sweeps, setting up submissions to find GNP oppurtunities, defending sweeps, etc.
Its just that wrestlers aren't always gonna be able to submit someone because the opponent might have better defense, seeing the wrestler most likely hasnt trained in BJJ since he started pursuing a MMA career.
As the sport becomes larger and more accepted. You'll see people starting to wrestle from an early age AND do BJJ from an early age (at the same time)
A new breed of controlling wrestlers that have the threat of being a true submission aces will appear.
Also, i guarantee (spelling? Lol) u will see more people utilize the Killa B guard or another technique to effectively and obviously win and control from your back.
MMA will always evolve, which is why it is so awesome.
mohammadhasan76 - What do you guys think? It seems like the wrestler had taken over mma, why do you guys think this is?
Because the wrestlers are spending so much time training jiujitsu.
PS - this is not a sign that jiujitsu is losing it's effectiveness. The only reason subs aren't happening as often is because people are developing better defensive jiujitsu. This is an example of more jiujitsu influence, not less.
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Because the wrestler's are spending so much time training jiujitsu.
GladiatorGannon -This.mohammadhasan76 - What do you guys think? It seems like the wrestler had taken over mma, why do you guys think this is?
Because the wrestlers are spending so much time training jiujitsu.
PS - this is not a sign that jiujitsu is losing it's effectiveness. The only reason subs aren't happening as often is because people are developing better defensive jiujitsu. This is an example of more jiujitsu influence, not less.
I wouldn't say any aspect off MMA is losing effectiveness. With everyone seeing the benefits of every aspect now and spending considerable time training BJJ along with everything else. It just takes a higher level of BJJ to stand out now. Take a guy with good sub defense and it is going to take a guy with great subs to get him.
It's not that BJJ is less effective it's that everyone is better schooled in it than they used to be. It used to be black belts in BJJ were rare, not so these days. A ton of guys fighting at the top level have one and the ones that don't train with black belts all the time.
Watching the last MMA show shows that BJJ is not dead. Every fight I watched in M1 ended in submission except for the Main Card. Where Vinny, arguably the best BJJ guy in MMA won his fight with a TKO Head kick.
Tired conversation is tired.
You all act like these wrestlers aren't training bjj.
And one of mma's top wrestlers was submitted by a bjj black belt not too long ago.
Not sure if it's been mentioned but the wrestlers are training bjj now.
Kumite4 - Its not Jujitsu thats the problem, its the fighters themselves. We have seen a recent surge in "cookie cutter" fighters. Guys that all look, act and think the same. They learn striking basics and ground basics and jump into the cage.
When all you have to throw at your opponent on the ground is triangle, arm bar and a couple leg locks its pretty simple to counter.
IMO it's not the BJJ, but the training method. Until the gi and training grappling separate from striking the BJJ aspect will stagnate. Train as you compete. Training law of specificity. 
Yawn... This shit again?
THANK GOD SOMEONE HAD THE COURAGE TO FINALLY ADDRESS THIS TOPIC ON THE UG
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I remember this same thread in 1996 when Mark Coleman came on the scene. NOOBS!
Prediction -There will be a UFC soon with 4 or 5 submissions and everyone will announce that BJJ is back!
yawn
looks for the Rickson, Tyson, Bruce Lee in his prime vs current ufc champ thread