looks kinda interesting
looks kinda interesting
isn't grabbing inside the gi illegal?
That's fine and all up until the guy on top switches to the arm.
Would of liked to see the defense when the arm is being attacked in live action.
J Flip you can't grab inside the gi sleeve or gi pant of the opponent. You can't grab the end of the gi sleeve in pistol grip. You can grab inside your own gi unrestricted. Example, ezekial choke is legal in judo. Judokas grab inside their own gi all the time ( to free up the other hand for control/balance or attack) in mat work and to break/avoid grips standing.
Anarkis - I would just bicep slice them until they let go.
Bicep slice is legal in judo? how about bjj?
Legal in judo, illegal in bjj.
Koga - Legal in judo, illegal in bjj.
Bicep slicer is legal in BJJ at brown and black. The only restrictions are cervical locks, slam from guard, heel hook, and scissor takedowns.
judoblackbelt - Would of liked to see the defense when the arm is being attacked in live action.
J Flip you can't grab inside the gi sleeve or gi pant of the opponent. You can't grab the end of the gi sleeve in pistol grip. You can grab inside your own gi unrestricted. Example, ezekial choke is legal in judo. Judokas grab inside their own gi all the time ( to free up the other hand for control/balance or attack) in mat work and to break/avoid grips standing.
u can grab inside the gi pants as long as the grip shows the pants being turn out and not in
To SS: slight infringment (Shido) 8) To insert a finger or fingers inside the opponent's sleeve or bottom of his trousers. From the IJF 2008 rule update. This is the general rule. Just curious, most would just not think about this just avoid it. Where did you read/learn this?
judoblackbelt - To SS: slight infringment (Shido) 8) To insert a finger or fingers inside the opponent's sleeve or bottom of his trousers. From the IJF 2008 rule update. This is the general rule. Just curious, most would just not think about this just avoid it. Where did you read/learn this?
interesting.... as i was referring to BJJ about the trousers grip...it has been told to me by the instructors where i trained in NYC about the the pants grab thing.
( i think in the Pan AMs or Worlds IIRC ) roger gracie and xande riberio (sp) were grappling and this came up . I was watch ing a vid of the event and one of the guys was grabbing the trouser bottom and i ran to tell my instructors who were BBs and also there was purple in the same area while iwas watching the vid. I pointed out to them "hey didnt u guys say thats illegal??"..
they went to watch and at first they were like kinda shocked but on replay and slo mo they could see the opponent was using the fold over/pulled back under grip iwas talking about.
i think basically you can do the hold as long as the referee can SEE you hand. the rule is basically structured to avoid broken fingers f rom certain unforeseen movements
as u mentioned most ppl by nature just avoid it-- knowingly or not and (as i do ) just grab a piece of cloth in my hand/their like a clot of hair
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or use a fold over finger grip by turning in outwards where the inside protude outwards
Thirteen -Koga - Legal in judo, illegal in bjj.
Bicep slicer is legal in BJJ at brown and black. The only restrictions are cervical locks, slam from guard, heel hook, and scissor takedowns.
I've been taught that the 'grip break' biceps slicer with the Kimura grip (no repositioning of the legs) is legal at all levels, as opposed to the more powerful variant where you figure-four the legs. Might just be because it's almost impossible to see.
To SS- The rule in judo is because it is thought of as defensive. Shido is the lowest of penalties. Like a -1 in BJJ. Your first shido in judo is free now, new recent rule. I have no knowledge about the bichep slicer as it pertains to judo. I never see it in competition.
i actually have always had it acknowledged that bicep cutters are illegal in comps and training ...perhaps the leniency on the "attempt" to grip break or at high levels in bjj it is now more acceptable and even still to a marginal degree..
main issue with the tech is the forearm is VULNERABLE to snap ..especially in figure 4 position.
I learned this a long time ago at a Relson Gracie seminar. The bicep slicer is hard to get b/c the arm is already so tight to the chest and the hook arm is put in a different position. (I just haven't had anyone able to do it to me yet) Anyway, the good thing is that it takes little strength to keep the defense BUT you do totally loose 1 arm. The counter to this defense is a shoulder lock that happens from there as well. Relson did teach that too and was surprisingly a good seminar along with Daniel Moreas.