Serious Question: How protesters protest

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First off, this may be the wrong place to ask this question because I know most of the people here don’t like the protesters to begin with, but I have a serious question:

Do the protesters really believe that they will inspire a mass revolution through vandalism, arson, and by shouting rude and hateful things at police?

The majority of people in this country don’t hate police - or POC, for that matter. I understand that people on the far Left have been taught that our society is inherently and structurally racist - and that people that don’t believe they are racist are simply blind to their own racism. I understand their point of view. I don’t agree with it, but I understand it.

But “tactically speaking”, how do the Leftists/Anarchists/Communists expect to create a popular movement when so much of what they do is alienating and off-putting to the majority of people?

Look at what’s happened since May.

~ Major national protests against police brutality - that brought a lot of people to the “party”.

~ As the rioting and looting progressed, and as the violent aspects of protest became de riguere, the protests got gradually smaller and smaller - except in very Left places like Portland and Seattle.

~ It seems like the antagonism - “Fuck the police!” “1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-FUCK 12!!” “Go home and beat your wife!” “I hope your children die!” - is meant to antagonize the cops into violent action so that the protesters can say, “SEE!! SEE!! WE’RE BEING REPRESSED!” But I don’t think it’s having that effect. I think most people think, “Damn, these cops are patient. That guy/girl/whatever yelling that shit in the cop’s face deserves to get their ass kicked.”

With MLK, the peaceful protest strategy was successful because it garnered sympathy. “These are good people that are being beaten for marching, wanting to go to school, or wanting to sit a lunch counter.” These modern day protests don’t engender any sympathy. If anything they engender antipathy - people want to see these people get steamrolled.

Is there a strategy behind this or is it simply what it appears to be: a self-sabotaging, nihilistic rage that is garnering less and less sympathy the longer it progresses?

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It makes me hate their stupid cause even more.

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I always wonder how do they do their 9 to 5 job and be a use to society while also protesting each night? Many said they were also parents, they must be saints to protest, parent properly and work 40 hour work weeks.

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You nailed it in your last paragraph. Nihilism pure amd simple.

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froggy - First off, this may be the wrong place to ask this question because I know most of the people here don't like the protesters to begin with, but I have a serious question:

Do the protesters really believe that they will inspire a mass revolution through vandalism, arson, and by shouting rude and hateful things at police?

The majority of people in this country don’t hate police - or POC, for that matter. I understand that people on the far Left have been taught that our society is inherently and structurally racist - and that people that don’t believe they are racist are simply blind to their own racism. I understand their point of view. I don’t agree with it, but I understand it.

But “tactically speaking”, how do the Leftists/Anarchists/Communists expect to create a popular movement when so much of what they do is alienating and off-putting to the majority of people?

Look at what’s happened since May.

~ Major national protests against police brutality - that brought a lot of people to the “party”.

~ As the rioting and looting progressed, and as the violent aspects of protest became de riguere, the protests got gradually smaller and smaller - except in very Left places like Portland and Seattle.

~ It seems like the antagonism - “Fuck the police!” “1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-FUCK 12!!” “Go home and beat your wife!” “I hope your children die!” - is meant to antagonize the cops into violent action so that the protesters can say, “SEE!! SEE!! WE’RE BEING REPRESSED!” But I don’t think it’s having that effect. I think most people think, “Damn, these cops are patient. That guy/girl/whatever yelling that shit in the cop’s face deserves to get their ass kicked.”

With MLK, the peaceful protest strategy was successful because it garnered sympathy. “These are good people that are being beaten for marching, wanting to go to school, or wanting to sit a lunch counter.” These modern day protests don’t engender any sympathy. If anything they engender antipathy - people want to see these people get steamrolled.

Is there a strategy behind this or is it simply what it appears to be: a self-sabotaging, nihilistic rage that is garnering less and less sympathy the longer it progresses?

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I believe their methods is doing more to promote racism and distain for parts of the population than ever before

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Uh...

If we just consider BLM as a whole -- it has changed the world. Police reform + dominating sports, media, celebrities, social media + the opposition simply can not stop talking about them.

They dominate the entire national conversation.

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froggy - First off, this may be the wrong place to ask this question because I know most of the people here don't like the protesters to begin with, but I have a serious question:

Do the protesters really believe that they will inspire a mass revolution through vandalism, arson, and by shouting rude and hateful things at police?

The majority of people in this country don’t hate police - or POC, for that matter. I understand that people on the far Left have been taught that our society is inherently and structurally racist - and that people that don’t believe they are racist are simply blind to their own racism. I understand their point of view. I don’t agree with it, but I understand it.

But “tactically speaking”, how do the Leftists/Anarchists/Communists expect to create a popular movement when so much of what they do is alienating and off-putting to the majority of people?

Look at what’s happened since May.

~ Major national protests against police brutality - that brought a lot of people to the “party”.

~ As the rioting and looting progressed, and as the violent aspects of protest became de riguere, the protests got gradually smaller and smaller - except in very Left places like Portland and Seattle.

~ It seems like the antagonism - “Fuck the police!” “1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-FUCK 12!!” “Go home and beat your wife!” “I hope your children die!” - is meant to antagonize the cops into violent action so that the protesters can say, “SEE!! SEE!! WE’RE BEING REPRESSED!” But I don’t think it’s having that effect. I think most people think, “Damn, these cops are patient. That guy/girl/whatever yelling that shit in the cop’s face deserves to get their ass kicked.”

With MLK, the peaceful protest strategy was successful because it garnered sympathy. “These are good people that are being beaten for marching, wanting to go to school, or wanting to sit a lunch counter.” These modern day protests don’t engender any sympathy. If anything they engender antipathy - people want to see these people get steamrolled.

Is there a strategy behind this or is it simply what it appears to be: a self-sabotaging, nihilistic rage that is garnering less and less sympathy the longer it progresses?

Minorities have more rights than ever 

they are getting killed by cops less than ever 

they are working more than ever 

they are being paid more than ever 

but ya! There is a HUGE ducking problem so let’s tear the system apart 

Jesus fuck what retards 

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"Pumpkin Spice Lazarus - Uh…

If we just consider BLM as a whole – it has changed the world. Police reform + dominating sports, media, celebrities, social media + the opposition simply can not stop talking about them.

They dominate the entire national conversation."

Not really. They were strong for a minute but have weakened considerably since.

Public opinion of BLM is now below what it was before Floyd. Look at how weak DC was. Organizers lowered crowd expectations because BLM has been steadily losing steam since the riots.

How about the “Labor Day”/National Day of Action protests? Weak.

If you can’t see that they have lost a lot of support since their peak, then it’s because you’re in denial. If their tactics were generating support, you wouldn’t have all of these mainstream Democrats saying, We’ve got to stop these riots! They’re hurting us in the polling!!

They are not trending right now. They are on the down slope. That may change at some point, but they are not doing well at the moment. Which is why the (few) protests that are going on now are getting shut down hard when the protesters escalate.

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Pumpkin Spice Lazarus -

Uh...

If we just consider BLM as a whole -- it has changed the world. Police reform + dominating sports, media, celebrities, social media + the opposition simply can not stop talking about them.

They dominate the entire national conversation.

Dafuq??

lol at changed the world

maybe for the worse 

people are watching less sports 

people are more divided 

there is more segregation coming .. black people are calling for all black communities ffs 

black lives matter has changed zero 

again PSL is a retard 

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Pumpkin Spice Lazarus - 

Uh...

If we just consider BLM as a whole -- it has changed the world. Police reform + dominating sports, media, celebrities, social media + the opposition simply can not stop talking about them.

They dominate the entire national conversation.

Except if you could test it black people are probably in more danger than ever.

They tell black people

“COPS WILL SHOOT YOU NO REASON”

more black people flee or resist when arrested =

more dead black people.

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Pumpkin Spice Lazarus -

Uh...

If we just consider BLM as a whole -- it has changed the world. Police reform + dominating sports, media, celebrities, social media + the opposition simply can not stop talking about them.

They dominate the entire national conversation.

Hitler changed the world, and people still can’t stop talking about him too. 

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Blm will disapear shortly after November... again. Things will go right back to normal... until 2024 presidential election at least. Rinse repeat. 

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froggy - First off, this may be the wrong place to ask this question because I know most of the people here don't like the protesters to begin with, but I have a serious question:

Do the protesters really believe that they will inspire a mass revolution through vandalism, arson, and by shouting rude and hateful things at police?

The majority of people in this country don’t hate police - or POC, for that matter. I understand that people on the far Left have been taught that our society is inherently and structurally racist - and that people that don’t believe they are racist are simply blind to their own racism. I understand their point of view. I don’t agree with it, but I understand it.

But “tactically speaking”, how do the Leftists/Anarchists/Communists expect to create a popular movement when so much of what they do is alienating and off-putting to the majority of people?

Look at what’s happened since May.

~ Major national protests against police brutality - that brought a lot of people to the “party”.

~ As the rioting and looting progressed, and as the violent aspects of protest became de riguere, the protests got gradually smaller and smaller - except in very Left places like Portland and Seattle.

~ It seems like the antagonism - “Fuck the police!” “1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-FUCK 12!!” “Go home and beat your wife!” “I hope your children die!” - is meant to antagonize the cops into violent action so that the protesters can say, “SEE!! SEE!! WE’RE BEING REPRESSED!” But I don’t think it’s having that effect. I think most people think, “Damn, these cops are patient. That guy/girl/whatever yelling that shit in the cop’s face deserves to get their ass kicked.”

With MLK, the peaceful protest strategy was successful because it garnered sympathy. “These are good people that are being beaten for marching, wanting to go to school, or wanting to sit a lunch counter.” These modern day protests don’t engender any sympathy. If anything they engender antipathy - people want to see these people get steamrolled.

Is there a strategy behind this or is it simply what it appears to be: a self-sabotaging, nihilistic rage that is garnering less and less sympathy the longer it progresses?

You need to watch the hidden agenda documentaries on Amazon, From the middle of last century but describe what is going on right now more accurately then anything else.

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Pumpkin Spice Lazarus -

Uh...

If we just consider BLM as a whole -- it has changed the world. Police reform + dominating sports, media, celebrities, social media + the opposition simply can not stop talking about them.

They dominate the entire national conversation.

If you had a million down syndrome kids burning cities no one would stop talking abou them either. What was your point?