"Tito, ken, kimbo, all their fights seem to have controversy at the end of the day. I'm not one to think these guys are doing shady shit but things are starting to pile up."
Exactly...
Royce is a fraud.
shamrock doesn't give 2 shits about his record. The last shamrock fight that I can recall that peopel didn't question shadiness or a possible fix was tito/shamrock 3. That was forever ago
funny i really wanted royce to win but not like that. feel bad for ken, i dont think he wanted to lose at all let alone like that...and with royces attitude leading up to the fight vs shamrocks super gracious attitude..ya it kind of stinks he got hit with a nut shot to start the TKO flurry...
prof -jacobdoerr - Yes, groin shots pain isn't delayed that long. That was so pathetic. That was a work. Plain and simple, how can people not see that?
Are you serious?
Ken got hit in the groin with a big knee.
He went down on being kneed in the nuts, clutching his groin even while being kneed in the head and punched.
So let me get this straight. You think it was fixed. How so?
Can you imagine the Bellator guys working this out, where Royce will agree to winning a fight via illegal NUT SHOT? Like of all the ways to fix a fight in his favor, it would be the one way that would immediately result in obvious controversy and booing for Royce, tarnishing the win? This is suddenly how Royce Gracie is going to act?
And Ken...he agrees to have Royce beat him? And...with a groin shot leaving Ken looking pathetically writhing on the ground in front of a victorious Royce Gracie as the epitaph
for his career?
If you seriously think these guys would have agreed to anything like this...you aren't thinking very clearly.
But then, the conspiracy virus meme seems very contagious these days, shutting down the higher thinking functions of many people.
Why would there need to be an agreement? Ken is the only person who would need to be in on it. It would work better if he was the only one in on it.
And ken just "slipped" in the franklin fight....... 
It went down how it would in the street. Royce is a bad cat, baby. 
Not a work obviously, but was Ken legit hurt to the balls, or reeling from the knee to the head? Was the knee to the head of its own merit, or only because Ken was hurt to the balls?
Fuck, I dont know, but god damn Ken, please retire. Ive watched you since i was 13 years old and I respect the fuck out of you. Time to retire was after the Frye fight. I dont want to see you get embarassed any more. I dont want to see you hurt any more.
You can't pull the trigger, your chin can't sustain ANY sort of punishment. Nearly 25 years on, you still have the respect of millions.There has to be another way to sustain a living other than embarassing yourself and taking unnecessary brain damage.
Every fight Ken takes, its us old timers tuning in to see him capture lightning in a bottle. The problem is that it gets more obvious each time that Ken is done. It's hard to see someone you used to look up to get his lights turned out over and over again. No disrespect to Royce. I respect the balls out of him as well, but if Royce, a pure BJJ practicioner, is knocking your ass out, it's time to go, babe.
Petey, my balls!
jacobdoerr - Yes, groin shots pain isn't delayed that long. That was so pathetic. That was a work. Plain and simple, how can people not see that?
Did you "watch" this fight on the radio??
Ken was clearly hurt by the shot and was reaching down before he even went down.
You can literally see Ken's cup get lifted in the replay. Nothing fake about that.
Then Ken is yelling at the ref after stoppage because the ref missed the groin shot.
Then the announcers admit they were wrong when they watch the replay.
keylockarmbar - All I'm staying is it looked weird. Its starting to be an issue with every fight card bellator puts certain guys on. Tito, ken, kimbo, all their fights seem to have controversy at the end of the day. I'm not one to think these guys are doing shady shit but things are starting to pile up.
keylockarmbar!
Long time-no see.
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onepunchJD -keylockarmbar - All I'm staying is it looked weird. Its starting to be an issue with every fight card bellator puts certain guys on. Tito, ken, kimbo, all their fights seem to have controversy at the end of the day. I'm not one to think these guys are doing shady shit but things are starting to pile up.
keylockarmbar!
Long time-no see.
voted up.
Hey buddy. Not many guys here with opinions I respect as much as yours. I'm slowly getting my VUs in the good lol. Thank you and returned. Peace.