Shawn Tompkins Strategy Against Machida

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How successful this strategy will prove is still very much an open question, but this seems like an excellent start:

"I've got two plans if any of my fighters ever fight Lyoto Machida," Tompkins told Cofield and Cokin on ESPN Radio1100 in Las Vegas. "First of all, I'm going to go to three of the best karate schools in the area, get their best guys, and work that timing. Because that's all it is: He has a different timing than everybody else. And secondly, you need to be a wrestler. You need to be chest-to-chest with that guy, and you need to be either pressing him against the cage or putting him on his back."

 

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when your striking coach's plan is to wrestle then you've got a tough time ahead of you

i agrree i ve said that b4 you need to be chest to chest with him wear out his shoulders. Also takes away his kicks and punches. Nomatter what tho Machida is a dangerous man

 I agree with Thompkins regarding Wrestlers/Grapplers trying to be strikers when it’s not their bread n’ butter (See Nogueira, Sherk, Koscheck, Gurgel, etc.). However, the idea that Machida can be beaten with Wrestling is foolish to me.



First off, Machida’s strength is in his distancing and his footwork. Not to sound crazy, but footwork has always been white boys’ biggest weakness, even in professional Boxing for so many years. Lyoto has a strong sense of rhythm that I see similar to Anderson and they’ll throw you off with jukes left and right, leaving you swinging at the air and looking like a scrub.



Personally I feel that the best way to beat Lyoto is by out pacing him with timing and BREAKING his rhythm. A lot of shoulder feints, striking feints and blind siding him with footwork is the order of the day in his case. You can shoot in all you want against Machida and he’ll continuously matador you to the side, throwing you to the fence and plugging you in the face.



So no, I don’t agree with Wrestlers having the answer to this.



Xtreme Couture is an awesome gym…but for Wrestlers, much like Team Quest. So it’s naturally expected to hear Shawn’s feedback falling into this pattern. However, I don’t think it’s a good idea.



Someone with great footwork, rhythm and an ability to break another person’s momentum/rhythm is what’s needed. Rashad HAD this ability, but didn’t seem to use it and he came rushing in and back pedaling to his demise.



So until we have someone who can do this to Machida, Lyoto’s going to keep that belt for a long while.


KahL -  I agree with Thompkins regarding Wrestlers/Grapplers trying to be strikers when it’s not their bread n’ butter (See Nogueira, Sherk, Koscheck, Gurgel, etc.). However, the idea that Machida can be beaten with Wrestling is foolish to me.

First off, Machida’s strength is in his distancing and his footwork. Not to sound crazy, but footwork has always been white boys’ biggest weakness, even in professional Boxing for so many years. Lyoto has a strong sense of rhythm that I see similar to Anderson and they’ll throw you off with jukes left and right, leaving you swinging at the air and looking like a scrub.

Personally I feel that the best way to beat Lyoto is by out pacing him with timing and BREAKING his rhythm. A lot of shoulder feints, striking feints and blind siding him with footwork is the order of the day in his case. You can shoot in all you want against Machida and he’ll continuously matador you to the side, throwing you to the fence and plugging you in the face.

So no, I don’t agree with Wrestlers having the answer to this.

Xtreme Couture is an awesome gym…but for Wrestlers, much like Team Quest. So it’s naturally expected to hear Shawn’s feedback falling into this pattern. However, I don’t think it’s a good idea.

Someone with great footwork, rhythm and an ability to break another person’s momentum/rhythm is what’s needed. Rashad HAD this ability, but didn’t seem to use it and he came rushing in and back pedaling to his demise.

So until we have someone who can do this to Machida, Lyoto’s going to keep that belt for a long while.


I would only add to your solid input is some shoots and or clinches ala a Jon Jones in a year or two would be the diverse style and strategy to match up with Machida.

^^ That is a tired Troll and sour grapes because your favorite got KTFO'ed vs MACHIDA.

i agree with your thoughts to a good degree kansas.esp. when talking about footwork and timing.

No one is beating Machida for a while.

 I don't understand why everyone keeps saying that to beat Machida you need wrestling....He's already proven that wrestling doesn't beat him.

I'm no expert, but I think the key to beating Machida lies in the very thing makes him so dangerous - his unorthodox style/stance. His wide sideways karate stance enables him to throw from weird angles and kick without losing his center of gravity, but the very same stance leaves his lead leg is exposed the whole time. Watch the Greco fight to see how he punishes Machida's lead leg.

 Clinch is the way to win  I think, Nakamura got him down a couple of tmes from the clinch and landed the biggest shot Lyoto has been hit with, a short elbow in the clinch.

BJ got him down with a bum rush, but that was in the ring.

 So basically what Matt Hughes said.  Work with Karate guys and use wrestling.

piratepirate - Shawn Tompkins = Over rated.
Shawn is a great coach.

 Ok...but Machida is a good wrestler too and he is going to out clinch most freestyle wrestlers.

I think getting karate people is a good idea. However, karate striking, once you get past the uchikomi (basic) techniques like punching and kicking, relies on two skills - tai-sabak (body movement/footwork) and Mai-ai (sense of range). I had the good fortune to train with a guy who got his belt from Okinawa, so I got to learn about some of these concepts.

Your mai-ai informs your tai-sabaki. When you have your mai-ai well developed, you can tell exactly how close you are to your oponent, based on his anatomy, that you have to be before he can touch you, based on whatever technique. This in turn tells you which way you should be prepared to dodge should he fire at you.

So any faking will have to be in range, will have to be able to land, to be convincing. Problem is that puts you in range too, especially if you fake only with your hands. I have not seen many people feint with kicking in MMA thus far, Thai kicks look a bit too ballistic for this, although since I only worked out with a couple Thai boxing trained guys and haven't done it myself, I won't pretend to be an authority there. But, if hand techs are all you fake with, be prepared for Machida to fade and blast with a side kick or similar to the head.

One strategy I have seen work, althuogh it is risky, is to leave you head open for a kick, an when he does, dive for his support leg. But it is High Risk. Baiting is actually a pretty big part of karate as I learned it, but you have to know where you are open. I've tried this and sometimes it works, sometimes I got caught, once I got KO'd.

Either that or wade in prepared to eat some shots, just cover your most vulnerable spots. I've only really seen that work with a size advantage though.

hominick doesn't prove anything.

 on paper, Lyoto is an unothodox runner/counterfigher.  Whan works against this style is someone with impecable footwork who cuts angles - a "magician" who is not there when you try to hit him.  on the flipside - the style of fighters that runner/counterfighers eat up are pressure fighers, which almost all wrestlers fall into.





 

People also forget that the man can work off his back. He has a BJJ black belt, correct?

DONT FORGET THE PONY!!!!

IN ORDER TO TRANE TO BEAT MACHIDA YOU NEED TO RASSLE TRANE KARATE...AND A PONY!!!