Only wins were over Forrest (whos retired now) and Vera. Since his win over Machida things have gone downhill fast.
Belongs at 85 
Rival School - Belongs at 85
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a lot of miles on that guy...time is a killer!
And threads like this are why this forum is quickly going downhill. Good work op.
imo he peaked in pride. best 205er there imo. but he still got the ufc belt. seems his body is pretty worn out from years of fighting. another legend considering retirement
If he peaked in Pride, he wouldnt have been able to end the Machida era in UFC.
Shogun/Hendo 2 please.
BTT-RyannVonDoom - And threads like this are why this forum is quickly going downhill. Good work op.
What's offensive about this thread? I don't think anybody is happy about it but Shogun definitely doesn't seem to be what he once was. He's still very exciting though
IAmNotImpressedbyYourStocktonSlap -Rival School - Belongs at 85.
He would b a skeleton at that weight
BTT-RyannVonDoom - And threads like this are why this forum is quickly going downhill. Good work op.No offence, but grow the fuck up. But no offence.
He stated facts, if you can't deal with facts go watch Pride DVDs and imagine they're not taking place a decade ago.
BTT-RyannVonDoom - And threads like this are why this forum is quickly going downhill. Good work op.
People throw this phrase around way too much.
Shogun used to be one of my favorites, but he's just no longer exciting to watch. he seems to gas after the 2nd round now.
mucho respect to him, but he should retire.
Jack Skellington - Only wins were over Forrest (whos retired now) and Vera. Since his win over Machida things have gone downhill fast.
And he was 1-1 with Forrest.
He's faced some tough competition.
Sure sonnen was coming off some losses so people don't give him the credit he deserves but who were they.
Silva and jbj!
Kaboom!
Shogun is an atg but his knees are shot. He has a ton of heart but can't move well anymore
185 pweeeease