Shogun says it all, Pride was better

Kimura makes an excellent point people forget.

Pride stopped, ufc kept evolving, to have a fighter since 2005 be that good and have that much potential says something against a current ufc champ.

Pride stoppped, they stopped creating fighters, it stopped evolving, ufc did not. Pride died 3 years ago. And there top fighters fedor and shogun are still going says something.

KimuraCrunch - 
dudley - Go tell that to Forrest-lol

So far from what we've seen TUF>Pride


Let's see a rematch, if Forrest can even make it that far lol. Forrest was lucky via Shogun's circumstances. If you don't agree it's you who is biased.


And you are clearly not biased at all

3/4 belts controlled by former Pride fighters.

I can't believe you guys are still doing this.

 Good day forum brethren,



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shogun vs tuf rookie forrest griffin II.

I really like the UFC, but damn I miss PRIDE FC! At the very least, just having such good competition made the UFC a better org, imo.

yep, once upon a time, in a land far far away...PRIDE was the best.

Then along came the UFC and made them extinct. At least some of the fighter have managed to transition and accept their new master...why can't you?

lame troll is lame

 It took most of these pride guys a while to learn to trane UFC, they're better fighters for it and should thank DFW for the opportunity to improve themselves.

KimuraCrunch - Not only did he beat the UFC lhw champion, but he beat the champ from a division that has evolved since pride's downfall.

Bring on Fedor vs Brock

Eat it...from your TUF lunch boxes...fagits...


He did lose to Forrest. How much does that say?

Ramsey - 

He did lose to Forrest. How much does that say?


And lost bad. Beaten pillar to post and then choked out like he was from the UK, not Brazil.

Shogun recovering from surgery could barely fight

now he's at his full potential

LOL anyone can play that game... So it took fighting in the UFC against real competition to finally turn Shogun into a real fighter!

I hate this stupidity. Both the UFC and Pride had great fighters. Both the UFC and Pride put on great matches. Both the UFC and Pride fighters could beat each other on any given day. They were all great and all deserve the same respect and recognition.

Elvis

When Shogun first became #1 in Pride, Pride had MOST of the top fighters - and most of the top 205-ers in particular - in the MMA world at the time. Before the post-TUF boom hit and the UFC then dramatically expanded its roster - the UFC NEVER had a 205 division, or any division for that matter, that was as deep as Pride's 205 division was, when Shogun won the GP.

For years, the UFC still had perennially just a 4-man rotation at 205 - Chuck, Randy, Tito, and alternately Vitor/Babalu (where the UFC didn't seem like they could even afford to keep both Vitor and Babalu around together for long - to keep more than 4 elite 205-ers around at the same time).

Meanwhile, the field of talent in Pride's 205 division consisted of guys like Shogun, Wanderlei, Rampage, Hendo, Li'l Nog, Arona, Alistair, Igor, Sakuraba, Vitor, and Randleman all competing together at the same time - which was FAR deeper than the UFC's 205 division was at the time, or at any point before the post-TUF boom.

The #5 LHW in the UFC in those days were guys like James Irvin and Mike Van Arsdale. While at the same time in Pride, the #5 guy would have been guys like Hendo or Arona or Alistair. Pride actually had about more than double the number of top-level 205-ers than the UFC did, where their own big 4 constantly had to re-cycle amongst themselves.

Not saying that every one of Pride's best was better than every one of the UFC's best, or that the UFC's 4 top LHW's couldn't be at least competitive with, or even beat, Pride's best - but Pride had MORE of those best. Easily. This really isn't even arguable.

Pride also had more top guys back then who have STILL been able to stay at or near the top longer than their counterparts from any other org. from the same time.

Which top fighters from the UFC in 2005 are still up there today? GSP - and let's count BJ as well (even though BJ was actually gone from the UFC then). That's pretty much it. NO ONE from the UFC's 205, HW, or MW divisions in that era is still an elite top contender today.

Why do you think Pride has had at least a few more holdovers from those days who still are? Because there were already more to choose from in Pride.

Go back and scour through either your memory or fightfinder and see if you can find as many top 205-ers (or HW's) in the UFC as there were in Pride back then, at the same time. Again, not saying Pride's best were necessarily better than the UFC's best - but anyone who doesn't think Pride had MORE top fighters, more overall depth of talent at the time, just wasn't either around at the time, or actually paying close attention.

once again whistleblower blows away the competition with his knowledge.

seriously.

I don't agree with ELVIS. All orgs are not created equal.

PRIDE had superior fighters. That's why I hugged their nuts.

NO BIAS. Just the facts.

i guess you're new.

I also appear when they lose. When gomi lost, or when aoki lost i was around.

i have been consistent with my arguments for over 7 years on this forum.

EVILYOSHIDA - 3/4 belts controlled by former Pride fighters.
lolwut?!



LW = Edgar

WW = GSP

MW = Anderson

LHW = Shogun

HW = Lesnar/Carwin



hmmm...i only see 2 former pride fighters there...hmm 2/5 != 3/4



math FAIL!





  

ticktick - guys... get with the times please

seriously pride is gone now.


 easier said than fuckin done fren...some idiots on this board still live in the past...