Shogun v. Griffen II

i'm wondering what everyone's thoughts are on this fight...

Shogun seems to be better off than the first time they fought, whereas Forest seems kinda just hanging on. they're both big fans of leg kicks, have solid BJJ and experience.

i wonder if this will be decided more on Forest's size, or Shoguns aggression?

btw, i'm curious as to why Shogun hasn't lost some bodyfat and tried to fight at 185...

BshMstr - btw, i'm curious as to why Shogun hasn't lost some bodyfat and tried to fight at 185...

why would he when he's one of the top fighters at 205?

forrestfan - 
BshMstr - btw, i'm curious as to why Shogun hasn't lost some bodyfat and tried to fight at 185...

why would he when he's one of the top fighters at 205?


yeah, i dunno....

i've always thought with his power and speed that he's able to crush guys he are bigger than him, he would have as much success at MW but without the toll on his body.


but yeah, i guess when you're able to beat the top and stay there, then cutting is kinda pointless...

Shogun by brutal rape Phone Post

Shogun should win this fight with the right gameplan. He has to come out aggressive from the outset. Take Forrest down and unleash vicious GnP. Forrest' guard isn't further along as his top game.

forrestfan - 
BshMstr - btw, i'm curious as to why Shogun hasn't lost some bodyfat and tried to fight at 185...


why would he when he's one of the top fighters at 205?



 In the UFC, he's only looked good against Machida and old Chuck. He looked like shit against Forrest, Jones, and Coleman. He really needs to look great on Saturday.

orcus - 
forrestfan - 
BshMstr - btw, i'm curious as to why Shogun hasn't lost some bodyfat and tried to fight at 185...

why would he when he's one of the top fighters at 205?

 In the UFC, he's only looked good against Machida and old Chuck. He looked like shit against Forrest, Jones, and Coleman. He really needs to look great on Saturday.


He does need to look great but aside from Jones, with whom he was still coming off injury, i think all the other fights where tell-tale signs of how the injuries/time off has effected him. He CLEARLY made the progression from Coleman/Chuck/Machida after one of his surgeries and i dont think there was any coincedence about it.

He even one up'ed himself from the first Machida fight to the next against the LHW king at the time.

With Jones, he did get caught from off the bat with the flying knee and he was in for a tough stylistic fight anyhow and i think would have lost anyhow but that still wasnt 100% healthy Shogun.

I mean, how can anyone say the gassed Shogun in his first fight back with Coleman in a 3 rounder and the one that went toe to toe with Machida over 5 rounds is the same fighter under the same circumstances?

Simple and utter domination by Shogun...

if Shogun is healthy, he should soundly beat Forrest, he's too well rounded for him..when was Forrest Griffin's last significant win, Rampage in 08'.

i'm not being critical of Forrest's skills...more of the fact it seems like he's had a crapload of injuries that seem to be taking a toll on him...


Shogun just appears to have more momentum, IMO....

Kunzy -
Barry_BondsMVP - if Shogun is healthy, he should soundly beat Forrest, he's too well rounded for him..when was Forrest Griffin's last significant win, Rampage in 08'.


So Shogun only lose when he's unhealthy, right?


Who said that? Shogun healthy would Still lose to Jones Phone Post

Forrest beats Shogun again in a one-sided fight.

 Who is Griffen?

People don't give griffin any respect. He's arguably he toughest LHW and is pretty well rounded... Phone Post

Kunzy - 
Barry_BondsMVP - if Shogun is healthy, he should soundly beat Forrest, he's too well rounded for him..when was Forrest Griffin's last significant win, Rampage in 08'.


So Shogun only lose when he's unhealthy, right?




to guys like Forrest Griffin yea, he could of put on a better showing if he was 100% against Jon Jones...there's no doubt having multiple knee surgeries has ruined Shogun, he can't really utilize his knees in the clinch like he use to.

Shogun has never lost a rematch.

Blu namer, please.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2qZ_Vv8FDs&feature=channel_video_title

The Loge - I'm a Shogun fan to the core and I know there is always excuses made for him etc etc and because of that fact I hate myself for what I'm about to say so no need to point out the obvious and already understood. Other than his health the biggest factor in the first Forrest fight was that he didn't take Forrest seriously. In his and most people's eyes who were following MMA at the time, Shogun was a phenom, the best LHW on the planet and arguably one of the top 3 pound for pound fighters in the world. Shogun was known as a dynamic striker with an outstanding ground game to boot and he was facing Forrest Griffin, who in most people's minds at the time was just a guy that won a reality show with an exciting but somewhat sloppy sprawl and brawl style. I dont believe Shogun took Griffin as seriously as he should have especially Forrest's BJJ. I think and hope Shogun won't make the same mistake this time around. After the Jones fight Shogun is going to be looking to make a big statement so he can make another run at the title and I think that is exactly what's going to happen on the 27th. <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


Shogun gassed like into R2, just like he did against Coleman which was his first fight post-surgery, wasnt it?

SemperFiDoOrDie - People don't give griffin any respect. He's arguably he toughest LHW and is pretty well rounded... <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


Underated, yes. The toughest? Def arguable. Well rounded, definately.

I dont think its a dis though to note that Shogun without injuries has shown a game a level above the best Forrest though.