Randy didnt even try and ask for a second renegotiation of his contract he signed 8 months ago. If that is true and Randy pulled this bitch move without even asking for a new deal first, it just makes him look worse and worse as the time goes on. Poor Randy had so much going for himself and he is pissing it away.
Meh, he's a grown ass man , he can do what he wants.
He tried to renegotiate. I wish you guys would learn to read. Randy specifically said he spoke with Dana and Lorenzo about it and they lied and told him he was the second highest paid.
Don't piss down my back and try to tell me it's only raining
He felt they told him a bold faced lie, after that he probably didn't want anything to do with them since their integrity was wrecked.
I don't think it makes him look bad. But it also seems he doesn't have a legal leg to stand on. If he wants to retire that's fine, but I don't see how he expects to compete. However I've of course never seen the contract he signed 8 months ago.
no chance of a Fedor fight was the primary reason he retired. He just used it as a platform to complain about the UFC management while he was at it.
dana, money cant buy you love!
"I wish you guys would learn to read. Randy specifically said he spoke with Dana and Lorenzo about it and they lied and told him he was the second highest paid. "
That doesn't mean he tried to re-negotiate, necessarily. They simply told him how much he was getting paid in comparison to others.
"How do you resign from a contract?" - Dana
IT is a sad day for MMA
Actually, IF Dana's version is true (and remember, any time you consider that it is a promoter's version, it is always a rather big if), think about it:
That actually makes Randy's action look even more like a true stand of principle.
It makes it seem like he really wasn't after just more money after all, if he didn't want to even bother trying to renegotiate with the UFC.
It lends more credibility to the notion that he simply couldn't stand for a management that he perceived would treat him with such disrespect, that he would even rather just walk away than try to stay and milk more money out of them, just to keep working for that same management.
This actually tends toward supporting Randy's claim that it wasn't just about the money for him.
But it's funny that "respect" is always quantified and represented with money.
Dana's alleged lies concerned a money issue.
Apparently the UFC locker-rooms are really chatty. And when the guys sit around talking, evidently money is a popular topic.
So, I don't argue too hard with people that it was about the money.
I am amazed anyone believes Dana White anymore. Some people must have a very short memory.
"So, I don't argue too hard with people that it was about the money."
- Of course it was about money. But Randy is saying it was also about respect (or the lack thereof) in the way they dealt with him about money issues (among others).
Randy's stance is that it wasn't just about the money alone (i.e., it wasn't only about the pure numbers themselves).
He says it was also about the disrespect he felt in the way the UFC was TREATING him on that subject.
So now Dana is saying, "Randy didn't even try to ask for more money!"
Now doesn't that actually go towards supporting Randy's claim that it wasn't JUST about trying to get more money from the UFC? That the respect element was also an important factor?
If Randy were JUST about the money, wouldn't he have actually at least TRIED to milk more money out of the UFC?
Now Dana himself is saying that Randy didn't.
Threadstarter, like you have the slightest clue what is going on behind
the scenes. If you choose to keep your head in your ass, please don't
feel the need to share it with others. There are reasons that are beyond
your minimal scope of thought. Don't hurt yourself trying to
understand. It is above you.
For those that doubt Randy's sincerety....
/agree with RickyB
The more I think about it, the more Dana's claim of Randy's agent being the cause of the problem makes sense.
half fast, those were Danas words in an interview, not speculation, and I said clearly in my post if true, followed by the opinion. So learn to read.
Didn't see any quotation marks, learn to write.
Is this also Dana's satement "Poor Randy had so much going for
himself and he is pissing it away" ? If not, then my post stilll stands.
Best regards,
"If Randy were JUST about the money, wouldn't he have actually at least TRIED to milk more money out of the UFC?"
Well, if he thought Dana was a liar, then he'd probably think that negotiating would be a farce. And if he (secretly) thought Dana were telling the truth, renegotiating would be equally useless because Randy should know he doesn't deserve a bigger contract than Chuck, despite Chuck's recent woes.
(Going on the "2nd best contract" quote per Dana, which sounds sneaky as you have pointed out before).
But...
Suppose that Dana offered a huge upgrade to his contract. Do you think Randy would hold a grudge about the 'lies' then? Would he refuse to come back to the UFC?
I'm sympathetic to those who want to look at the complexities of all this. The cynic in me has a bit more weight though. I think if Dana dangled a big enough carrot Randy would come back in open arms, and all the insults and lies would evaporate.
BTW I really think Randy wants to fight Fedor. But I think he'd fight Gary Coleman in the UFC for enough $$$.