So, who really gives more $$ to Ukraine? US or EU?

Trump Wrong on European Aid to Ukraine

 

President Donald Trump wrongly said that "Europe and other nations" were "not" contributing to Ukraine, specifically calling for Germany and France to "put up money." In fact, the European Union and European financial institutions have contributed more than $16.4 billion in grants and loans to Ukraine since 2014.

European countries have contributed an estimated two-thirds of all of the aid to Ukraine since Russia annexed Crimea in 2014 and launched a conflict in the Donbas region in eastern Ukraine, according to Iain King, a visiting fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

At the United Nations on Sept. 24, Trump told reporters that he had withheld U.S. assistance to Ukraine this summer because he wanted European countries to contribute. An intelligence community whistleblower complaint says that the White House Office of Management and Budget on July 18 notified other departments and agencies that the money was being withheld. The U.S. released the nearly $400 million in fiscal 2019 aid on Sept. 11.

"I'd withhold again and I'll continue to withhold until such time as Europe and other nations contribute to Ukraine because they're not doing it," Trump said. "Everybody in the administration knows that what I want, and I insist on it, is that Europe has to put up money for Ukraine also. Why is it only the United States putting up the money? ... Germany, France, other countries should put up money."

At one point, Trump said the United States was contributing "the bulk of the money," but also said it was "only" the U.S. contributing and that other countries were "not doing it."

But other countries are doing it, and the U.S. isn't even the majority contributor of total official development assistance.

According to the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development, EU institutions top the OECD's list of the top 10 donors of official development assistance to Ukraine, with $425.2 million contributed on average for 2016-2017. The U.S. was second with $204.4 million in assistance, closely followed by Germany, which contributed $189.8 million on its own, in addition to contributions it would have made through the European Union.

CSIS' King, a former U.K. defense and foreign conflict specialist, detailed the aid the U.S. and other countries have provided to Ukraine in a Sept. 26 report. U.S. Agency for International Development figures King cited show the U.S. has contributed between $272 million and $513 million annually since 2014. As for military assistance, the U.S. has contributed about $800 million, "which includes small arms, counter-narcotics efforts, training programs, and military advisers to support and improve the Ukrainian forces, among others," King wrote.

Those are sizable numbers, but the EU has given more. "The European Union is the largest donor to Ukraine" King wrote, estimating that the EU has given almost twice as much on average per year than the U.S. since 2014.

Maja Kocijancic, EU spokesperson for foreign affairs and security policy, told us in an email, "The European Union's support to Ukraine is unprecedented. In these five years, we have put together for Ukraine the largest support package in the history of the European Union."

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Big surprise. Trump's reasoning for withholding aid, is a bold faced lie.

 

Or is this a democrat deep state fake story?

 

Quick!! Can someone post a 4 hour youtube video so we can see what Trump "really meant" and how the LAMEstream media completely fabricated this story!

 

Trump didn't lie! People just don't understand him! He says it like it is! But yet we always have to explain what "it" is!

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And Ukraine's president is a liar because he said the same thing. Or maybe he knows actual facts of the matter better than shareblue does?

RenatoCocopreta - And Ukraine's president is a liar because he said the same thing. Or maybe he knows actual facts of the matter better than shareblue does?


Most likely parroting Trump's lies. 


According to the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development, EU institutions top the OECD's list of the top 10 donors of official development assistance to Ukraine, with $425.2 million contributed on average for 2016-2017. The U.S. was second with $204.4 million in assistance, closely followed by Germany, which contributed $189.8 million on its own, in addition to contributions it would have made through the European Union.


You can look at the raw data here:


https://public.tableau.com/views/OECDDACAidataglancebyrecipient_new/Recipients?:embed=y&:display_count=yes&:showTabs=y&:toolbar=no?&:showVizHome=no


 

Article seems to be disingenuous because it's comparing a collection of nations vs one nation. By it's own admissions, America pays 1/3rd while the European union (which consists on 28 nations) gets to split the rest.

 

I wonder why trump is complaining about paying the most

TheDorkKnight - 

Article seems to be disingenuous because it's comparing a collection of nations vs one nation. By it's own admissions, America pays 1/3rd while the European union (which consists on 28 nations) gets to split the rest.

 

I wonder why trump is complaining about paying the most


How is the article being disingenous? Trump is straight up LYING... This article is proving that Trump is lying.


The only disingenuity is by Trump claiming "We are withholding aid because USA pays the bulk of foreign aid! EU are not contributing!" 


 



 

I'm confused. Why are 'EU Institutions' listed alongside standalone contributions from EU members? Are we saying the 'EU' as a central body has given that much money? 

On a country by country basis, Trump is probably right. Also need to distinguish how much is gifted vs how much loaned. Not arguing one way or the other it just seems more complex than the article suggests.

Dragunov - 

I'm confused. Why are 'EU Institutions' listed alongside standalone contributions from EU members? Are we saying the 'EU' as a central body has given that much money? 

On a country by country basis, Trump is probably right. Also need to distinguish how much is gifted vs how much loaned. Not arguing one way or the other it just seems more complex than the article suggests.


No, Trump is not probably right, even on a country by country basis.  


His claim is that US gives the BULK. And that EU countries are "not contributing"


"As far as withholding funds, those funds were paid. They were fully paid," Trump told reporters Tuesday, ahead of his address to the United Nations General Assembly.


"But my complaint has always been, and I'd withhold again, and I'll continue to withhold until such time as Europe and other nations contribute to Ukraine," he continued. "Because they're not doing it. Just the United States. We're putting up the bulk of the money. And I'm asking, why is that?"


 

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•an brilliant flash of light appears from nowhere and what appears to be a time machine door opens•

 

Sup bros - Just got back from 2021.....Pedro is still yelling that Trump is a liar.

When Russia didn't work just find a new Slavic country to blame.

Pedro Navaja -
Dragunov - 

I'm confused. Why are 'EU Institutions' listed alongside standalone contributions from EU members? Are we saying the 'EU' as a central body has given that much money? 

On a country by country basis, Trump is probably right. Also need to distinguish how much is gifted vs how much loaned. Not arguing one way or the other it just seems more complex than the article suggests.


No, Trump is not probably right, even on a country by country basis.  


His claim is that US gives the BULK. And that EU countries are "not contributing"


"As far as withholding funds, those funds were paid. They were fully paid," Trump told reporters Tuesday, ahead of his address to the United Nations General Assembly.


"But my complaint has always been, and I'd withhold again, and I'll continue to withhold until such time as Europe and other nations contribute to Ukraine," he continued. "Because they're not doing it. Just the United States. We're putting up the bulk of the money. And I'm asking, why is that?"


 



Yeah his statements are hyperbolic at best. I'll give you this one Pedro, you may have a point.

Dragunov - 
Pedro Navaja -
Dragunov - 

I'm confused. Why are 'EU Institutions' listed alongside standalone contributions from EU members? Are we saying the 'EU' as a central body has given that much money? 

On a country by country basis, Trump is probably right. Also need to distinguish how much is gifted vs how much loaned. Not arguing one way or the other it just seems more complex than the article suggests.


No, Trump is not probably right, even on a country by country basis.  


His claim is that US gives the BULK. And that EU countries are "not contributing"


"As far as withholding funds, those funds were paid. They were fully paid," Trump told reporters Tuesday, ahead of his address to the United Nations General Assembly.


"But my complaint has always been, and I'd withhold again, and I'll continue to withhold until such time as Europe and other nations contribute to Ukraine," he continued. "Because they're not doing it. Just the United States. We're putting up the bulk of the money. And I'm asking, why is that?"


 



Yeah his statements are hyperbolic at best. I'll give you this one Pedro, you may have a point.




I appreciate it.

Pedro Navaja -
TheDorkKnight - 

Article seems to be disingenuous because it's comparing a collection of nations vs one nation. By it's own admissions, America pays 1/3rd while the European union (which consists on 28 nations) gets to split the rest.

 

I wonder why trump is complaining about paying the most


How is the article being disingenous? Trump is straight up LYING... This article is proving that Trump is lying.


The only disingenuity is by Trump claiming "We are withholding aid because USA pays the bulk of foreign aid! EU are not contributing!" 


 



 



I said why they're being disingenous, the article wants to contend that the US doesn't give the most money, and lists a collection of institutions to prove that point. But I bet if we took those institutions individually, none of them would be top 10 on their own. They've essentially manipulated the data so that it seems like the EU gives a comparative amount to the US.


 


I would agree and disagree with you that other nations pay their fair share; clearly Japan and Germany do, and trump should leave them out of it. But look at the huge discrepancy between Japan and whoever "global fund" is; #4 gives less than half than japan, so he's right when he says that the US is paying a lion share compared to other countries.


 


Id like to see a individual breakdown of how much aid is given to ukraine from this collection of EU nations; I'll bet its not nearly has much as what the US gives. comparing 28 nations against one will skew the facts like that

TheDorkKnight - 
Pedro Navaja -
TheDorkKnight - 

Article seems to be disingenuous because it's comparing a collection of nations vs one nation. By it's own admissions, America pays 1/3rd while the European union (which consists on 28 nations) gets to split the rest.

 

I wonder why trump is complaining about paying the most

 

How is the article being disingenous? Trump is straight up LYING... This article is proving that Trump is lying.

The only disingenuity is by Trump claiming "We are withholding aid because USA pays the bulk of foreign aid! EU are not contributing!" 

 

 

 

I said why they're being disingenous, the article wants to contend that the US doesn't give the most money, and lists a collection of institutions to prove that point. But I bet if we took those institutions individually, none of them would be top 10 on their own. They've essentially manipulated the data so that it seems like the EU gives a comparative amount to the US.

 

I would agree and disagree with you that other nations pay their fair share; clearly Japan and Germany do, and trump should leave them out of it. But look at the huge discrepancy between Japan and whoever "global fund" is; #4 gives less than half than japan, so he's right when he says that the US is paying a lion share compared to other countries.

 

Id like to see a individual breakdown of how much aid is given to ukraine from this collection of EU nations; I'll bet its not nearly has much as what the US gives. comparing 28 nations against one will skew the facts like that


 


This is what people have to do to justify the dumb and just plain FALSE things that Trump says.


 


 


He called out all of europe for not contributing! 


EU = European Union aka EUROPE, so for you to say well its a collection of countries.... Well then Trump should have kept his mouth shut! He called out EUROPE for not contributing.


Ok lets eliminate all of EU on that graph. Even then, he said USA provides the bulk. Germany is right behind them with 189m. USA with 204m. It's a big stretch to say you pay the bulk when its only like 6% more than Germany...


Yes, USA pays ALOT. No one denies that. 


What we are plainly denying is Trump's false claims that USA pays the bulk, and that Europe doesn't contribute.


Just admit that his statements are false. C'mon man. Don't play this game. He's scrambling for reasoning and inventing things.


Europe DOES contribute to Ukraine. MORE than USA does. 


 

TTT for a Trump lie