Don't count grappling for anything . Or rather only count damage done. If you take a guy down and hold him there your really just on the defensive from there striking game, unless your damaging him on the ground. Submission attempts also could be counted as nothing because if you don't get the submission you've caused no damage to your opponent and done nothing to better yourself in the fight even if it was a close attempt.
This would also encourage fighters to try and finish fights because they know the only way to win rounds is to hurt your opponent.
I don't think they'll be don't think they'll be changing the judging criteria anytime soon, I just thought this could be a better way of scoring fights. 
This is a provocative idea. TBH I have to think on it.
Great idea. They could then call it something different too. Like maybe boxing or something cool like that.
Thats no good man...no offense but you cant completely neglect "position" & "control" in exchange for ONLY damage.... That sports been created, its called san-shou. 
So fighters who hold opponents down for 15 minutes and throw weak ass rabit punches are rewarded (with striking points), and those who attempt submissions are effectively penalized for doing so.
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Take one of the judges, cecil peoples, and publicly execute him. Sets the precidence and the example of that none of them are safe.
Let only count strikes that cause cuts, knock downs, or knock outs too...
Its not just wresting that's screwing up the scoring....its incompetent judges.
BTT-RyannVonDoom - Take one of the judges, cecil peoples, and publicly execute him. Sets the precidence and the example of that none of them are safe.
Reasonable. Effective.
I like it.
Rantuckjr - Great idea. They could then call it something different too. Like maybe boxing or something cool like that.
Lol
BTT-RyannVonDoom - Take one of the judges, cecil peoples, and publicly execute him. Sets the precidence and the example of that none of them are safe.
You need a creative solution for eye-poking refs, too.
Leg kicks shouldn't count either.
zedlepln -Ome wa mou shinderuBTT-RyannVonDoom - Take one of the judges, cecil peoples, and publicly execute him. Sets the precidence and the example of that none of them are safe.
You need a creative solution for eye-poking refs, too.
I suggest a 5pt per round system of scoring - 1pt each for:
Striking
Grappling
Offensive output/aggression
Control of bout (pace or place)
Damage Inflicted (since that is the whole point anyway)
This way, there should never be an even round as each category is scored independently.
Make it happen.
UGCTT_LastCall - I suggest a 5pt per round system of scoring - 1pt each for:
Striking
Grappling
Offensive output/aggression
Control of bout (pace or place)
Damage Inflicted (since that is the whole point anyway)
This way, there should never be an even round as each category is scored independently.
Make it happen.
So would each category get a guy 1 point if he won that category? For instance, Guy won striking, offensive output, control and damage but got outgrappled. Is he up 4-1 after the first round?
zedlepln -That's pretty much how it is now. I was trying to say that if that happened and say the guy got up and rocked him it would be counted as more than the wrestle fucking and 'staying busy' punches.
So fighters who hold opponents down for 15 minutes and throw weak ass rabit punches are rewarded (with striking points), and those who attempt submissions are effectively penalized for doing so.
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OneSidedWar - Thats no good man...no offense but you cant completely neglect "position" & "control" in exchange for ONLY damage.... That sports been created, its called san-shou.Just throwing ideas out there. I really hate it when a fighter loses a fight and he clearly caused a lot of damage to his opponent while receiving none, it's a fight not a wrestling match
I like the idea of only counting damage, but I also think submission attempts should count for something.
Sitting in someone's full guard while doing nothing should not be considered winning the round.
Rantuckjr -UGCTT_LastCall - I suggest a 5pt per round system of scoring - 1pt each for:
Striking
Grappling
Offensive output/aggression
Control of bout (pace or place)
Damage Inflicted (since that is the whole point anyway)
This way, there should never be an even round as each category is scored independently.
Make it happen.
So would each category get a guy 1 point if he won that category? For instance, Guy won striking, offensive output, control and damage but got outgrappled. Is he up 4-1 after the first round?
Yes, that was the way I intended it to work.
Originally, I was looking for a standard of scoring that could be used for amateurs to reward technical merit over brute strength. Basically in order to answer the question: who is winning - the brawler that landed a single haymaker, or the technician that landed a shitload more punches with less damage? IMO - he who lands more strikes is winning (as it pertains to striking, anyway).
Then I realized that judges are currently using this same criteria for scoring....but losing something in the translation to the 10pt must system. In the 10pt system fighters get 8 or 9pts whether they earned them or not. That didn't make sense to me.
They only adopted the 10pt system because licensed (boxing) judges were all the commissions had to work with when they began regulating MMA. They should have started from scratch back then.
I think we run into the same problem.
Say GSP runs into the middle of the cage throws one punch, takes down his opponent and controls him while taking no damage the entire round. He does this 3 times and he is up 15-0 instead of 30-27.
Unless his opponent subs him or knocks him out in the next two rounds, he still wins. No additional motivation to finish. No matter how badly he gets beaten up in rounds 4 and 5 he cant lose. At least under the current system he could theoretically still get the win if he got 10-7 rounds.
BTT-RyannVonDoom - Take one of the judges, cecil peoples, and publicly execute him. Sets the precidence and the example of that none of them are safe.
Buhahahaha