NO ONE should be labeled the GOAT right now except maybe Fedor, Anderson Silva or Dan Henderson. (Sorry if I left anyone out.)
I constantly hear people here on the UG stating that "If Jones beats Henderson he is the GOAT", and it pisses me off because you're robbing that title from true legends who should be labeled the GOAT.
I even heard someone post a thread about Ben Henderson being among the Goat's of the sport. BEN HENDERSON? Trust me, I was rooting for Henderson all the way and hope he defends his title against Diaz, but to say Henderson is one of the GOAT's is a joke and should be looked at with disrespect.
I don't know, I think people don't understand what Greatest of All Time means, nor will they ever if they keep throwing up these lame and absurd accusations.
Ben Henderson . . . I mean REALLY? If you want to talk about the GOAT's of LW you should be talking about BJ Penn and the Gomi's of the world, not a guy who has less then 20 fights and is still in his prime.
As for Jones, he very well could be one of the greatest of all time's, but when it come's down to it there will only really be ONE GOAT.
Same with Jones, he has less then 20 fights and is still going into his prime, why in the hell would someone put him among the Dan Henderson's, the Anderson's, the Wanderlei's and the Fedor's of the sport?
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Imo it is far too early to call Jon Jones the GOAT
heavyweightmma - Same with Jones, he has less then 20 fights and is still going into his prime, why in the hell would someone put him among the Dan Henderson's, the Anderson's, the Wanderlei's and the Fedor's of the sport?
Because no one gives a shit if he has 10-15 more fights against C-levelers.
how can someone be the GOAT if they aren't fighting top level competition at all times?
yup!
Wiz - OP what you need to understand about the GOAT is that quantity is important, but quality of opponents is what really matters.
You're right but Quantity is almost just as important.
heavyweightmma -Wiz - OP what you need to understand about the GOAT is that quantity is important, but quality of opponents is what really matters.
You're right but Quantity is almost just as important.
You really have to look at someone's whole career to call them a goat. So its kind of dumb when people talk about jbj and rousey as goats when they are just entering their primes now. 
I like seeing Hendo fight, but he's never had the kind of lengthy, consistent run of dominance necessary to be considered the GOAT, IMO.
Nexuscrawlers -heavyweightmma -Wiz - OP what you need to understand about the GOAT is that quantity is important, but quality of opponents is what really matters.
You're right but Quantity is almost just as important.You really have to look at someone's whole career to call them a goat. So its kind of dumb when people talk about jbj and rousey as goats when they are just entering their primes now.
I agree 100%
CLINTK9 -OneTesticledMoneyLaunderer - how can someone be the GOAT if they aren't fighting top level competition at all times?
if your referring to Fedor, He did fight the top level at all times, but ALSO fought a couple Freakshow fights in between. Fedor fought FIVE Times in 2001,2003,2004 EACH! How many fights are Anderson & GSP gonna fight this year?
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last time he was fighting the best comp was in 2005
and you knew it was fedor I was talking about because he is the only one who is considered the GOAT by some yet he hasn't always fought top level comp.
anderson, gsp, jbj all fight the top level comp
how much does a win over hongman choi or Egidijus Valavi?ius count for versus the #2 ranked guy in the world at a weight class?
^If said indivdual wins two fights vs top ranked guys AND also beats those guys, then those wins have to count as something... at the very least those wins should not detract from his accomplishments
I'll never understand the shit Fedor takes for having fought extra fights. As if Anderson fighting his exact same schedule and also throwing in a win over RJJ, Shawn Michaels and a couple Olympic silver medalists somehow makes him a worse fighter.
It happens because a lot of people think "greatest of all time" means the same as "best of all time." Big difference between the two. 
Wiz -heavyweightmma -Wiz - OP what you need to understand about the GOAT is that quantity is important, but quality of opponents is what really matters.
You're right but Quantity is almost just as important.
Not quite.
Just look at Rhonda Rousey, Cain Velasquez and JDS, for a few examples. Even Brock Lesnar up to 2010.
Right, and none of those people you named should be in a GOAT discussion.
They are all too early in their careers.
Wiz -heavyweightmma -Wiz - OP what you need to understand about the GOAT is that quantity is important, but quality of opponents is what really matters.
You're right but Quantity is almost just as important.
Not quite.
Just look at Rhonda Rousey, Cain Velasquez and JDS, for a few examples. Even Brock Lesnar up to 2010.
You're kind of misunderstanding what I'm trying to tell you. When talking about GOAT standards, yes quality is important, but Quantity of that quality is one of the most important parts.
No doubt.
Wiz -heavyweightmma -Wiz -heavyweightmma -Wiz - OP what you need to understand about the GOAT is that quantity is important, but quality of opponents is what really matters.
You're right but Quantity is almost just as important.
Not quite.
Just look at Rhonda Rousey, Cain Velasquez and JDS, for a few examples. Even Brock Lesnar up to 2010.
You're kind of misunderstanding what I'm trying to tell you. When talking about GOAT standards, yes quality is important, but Quantity of that quality is one of the most important parts.
No doubt.
Well, JDS has "quantity of that quality."
And IMO, quality is MOST important.
Beating Cain Velasquez, Shane Carwin, Frank Mir, and Fabricio Werdum tells me SO much more than beating 15 guys of lesser competition.
And we're talking about someone being titled the GOAT. The GOAT is someone who reigned their dominance on the sport for the whole of their career.
Along with that comes Quality, and Quality is a HUGE part of being a GOAT, but if you don't have a certain Quantity of that great Quality, then the quality can become irrelevant.
If JDS were to go 03 or 0-4 in his next 3-4 fights, he wouldn't be considered in the GOAT discussion because, yes he had quality wins, but then the next 3-4 fights (The quantity aspect) were all losses.
That may be a bad example^^^ but I'm sure you understand what I'm trying to say.
The guy's you mentioned that he beat is nowhere near enough to be in the GOAT discussion though.
Give me 10-20 more fights of that level, or near that level or competition and we'll talk.
To me, Anderson Silva is the GOAT right now, he has both quantity and quality (people like to debate the state of the MW division, but list one top MW fighter of the time Silva never fought).
If Jones wins the next 4-5 fights, I'd consider him and Anderson neck and neck.