michaelkaras - askren made the choice to act like a rejected girlfriend and chip away at dana and the ufc with petty insults on twitter and other media platforms (interviews, etc...any chance he got).
the difference between him and tito ortiz, as someone mentioned before, is drawing power (not to mention devastating ground and pound).
people overlook the fact that even bellator released him, as their champ, on a stack of wins, because he couldn't draw. why don't fans get up in arms about that?
he main evented for bellator a bunch of times, was an olympian and a wrestling standout, but no one is interested in watching him fight. that's not the UFC's fault.
"people overlook the fact that even bellator released him, as their champ, on a stack of wins, because he couldn't draw. why don't fans get up in arms about that?"
Because that never happened. Bjorn offered him at least 1 maybe 2 contracts to stay and he refused both and chose not to re-sign with hopes of being UFC bound.
Also if I'm not mistaken the guy barely won his last fight in Bellator. Some say he should have lost. He's not exactly heading to the UFC with a full head of steam here. He's a boring unproven fighter on a downswing that has a history stirring shit. What part of that equation suggests he's a good investment? I know lots of fans like to look at the UFC as a charity for mma fighters, but that's not the case. Also it's insanely stupid to bring up guys like Cummins when you talk about Askiren, unless you really think Askiren was willing to get paid what Cummins did to come in to be a last minute replacement. Every time that guy opens his mouth he degrades his already dubious value.
Barely won his last fight in Bellator? He finished the guy in the 4th round and outstruck him 248-3. It was one of the most one sided fights I have ever seen.
because he is a lay n pray master and the UFC was on the heels for purging themselves of boring fighters like that (Fitch), so taking in Fitch 2.0 made little sense and still does not.
It doesnt make sense unless they want the organization to be legitimate.
Only if you consider stalling out the clock a legitimate win in a fight
gooseovermaverick - Unfortunately it is a legitimate way to win a fight and if your better than your opponent then you will be able to stop him from doing it
Look a benson trying to wall and stall pettis and those stupid calf kicks and foot stomps. Pettis didnt let him and tapped him. People only treat you the way you let them treat you
no its a legitimate way to win a modern MMA contest. If you dont finish a fight, you cannot win it. This is why you will see people like Rickson talking about the primary concern in a fight is not losing.
Again, modern MMA has very little to do with fighting
gooseovermaverick - Unfortunately it is a legitimate way to win a fight and if your better than your opponent then you will be able to stop him from doing it
Look a benson trying to wall and stall pettis and those stupid calf kicks and foot stomps. Pettis didnt let him and tapped him. People only treat you the way you let them treat you
no its a legitimate way to win a modern MMA contest. If you dont finish a fight, you cannot win it. This is why you will see people like Rickson talking about the primary concern in a fight is not losing.
Again, modern MMA has very little to do with fighting
Isn't this thread about the sport of MMA? Or did I miss something?
youarewhatiswrong - Because the UFC isn't a legitimate sport, it's Sports Entertainment a la WWE. It's pretty simple.
Actually the UFC is a promotion, it never claimed to be a sport. Although maybe the confusion is that you believed it when some guy told you that he "traned UFC".
gooseovermaverick - Unfortunately it is a legitimate way to win a fight and if your better than your opponent then you will be able to stop him from doing it
Look a benson trying to wall and stall pettis and those stupid calf kicks and foot stomps. Pettis didnt let him and tapped him. People only treat you the way you let them treat you
Avoiding conflict shouldn't be rewarded in a professional fight (cue the stand and wang assholes). A solid defense is definitely necessary but taking someone down and then passing guard or mounting them while not attempting to finish them either through strikes or submissions shouldn't be rewarded.
I see what youre saying, but technically they released him by opting out of matching rights bc askren was asking for too much money. essentially, they said - "you're free," and "we won't give you the eddie alvarez treatment" by stringing him up on matching rights, which they could have before technically releasing him.
just semantic stuff but i dont think it degrades my point at all. if he wasn't a big enough draw for bellator to extend effort to keep him, why would UFC want to sign him. Bellator had to have performed some sort of cost/benefit analysis to decide whether he was worth the trouble, like eddie, but they decided not to. that says something.
gooseovermaverick - Unfortunately it is a legitimate way to win a fight and if your better than your opponent then you will be able to stop him from doing it
Look a benson trying to wall and stall pettis and those stupid calf kicks and foot stomps. Pettis didnt let him and tapped him. People only treat you the way you let them treat you
Avoiding conflict shouldn't be rewarded in a professional fight (cue the stand and wang assholes). A solid defense is definitely necessary but taking someone down and then passing guard or mounting them while not attempting to finish them either through strikes or submissions shouldn't be rewarded.
Dude, think about what you just said. If you are able to get someone down, pass guard, mount them and control them it shouldn't be rewarded? I don't understand how that's a bad thing.
Dreville79 - He insulted the boss of the UFC both before and after the whole saga. If you're dumb enough to insult a possible employer, don't expect ever to work for them. All these Askren defenders need to go see their bosses tomorrow and call them fat, bald idiots. You'll soon find that's not a great plan
michaelkaras - I see what youre saying, but technically they released him by opting out of matching rights bc askren was asking for too much money. essentially, they said - "you're free," and "we won't give you the eddie alvarez treatment" by stringing him up on matching rights, which they could have before technically releasing him.
just semantic stuff but i dont think it degrades my point at all. if he wasn't a big enough draw for bellator to extend effort to keep him, why would UFC want to sign him. Bellator had to have performed some sort of cost/benefit analysis to decide whether he was worth the trouble, like eddie, but they decided not to. that says something.
You'd have a point if Askren didn't make such a stink about wanting to go and wanting to leave. He also offered to fight a #1 contender or title fight in the UFC for free. Not really accurate to say Bellator let him go because they thought he wasn't worth it.
VitorpeepeetasteStrongTRT - Dana said he wasn't good enough despite being a 2 time collegiate wrestling champion, an Olympian, undefeated and the champ of the #2 mma promotion. Instead he decided to sign cans for Erick Silva and Daniel Cormier to roll through.
youarewhatiswrong - Because the UFC isn't a legitimate sport, it's Sports Entertainment a la WWE. It's pretty simple.
Actually the UFC is a promotion, it never claimed to be a sport. Although maybe the confusion is that you believed it when some guy told you that he "traned UFC".
Fine, nitpick. It's not a legitimate sports PROMOTION, it's a sport entertainment PROMOTION.
simply put, if you want to claim you are the pinnacle of a sport you should have the best guys in there, regardless of their fight style. If the fans don't want that they should be watching wrestling. stop watering down the fucking sport.
youarewhatiswrong - Because the UFC isn't a legitimate sport, it's Sports Entertainment a la WWE. It's pretty simple.
Actually the UFC is a promotion, it never claimed to be a sport. Although maybe the confusion is that you believed it when some guy told you that he "traned UFC".
Fine, nitpick. It's not a legitimate sports PROMOTION, it's a sport entertainment PROMOTION.
It's not nitpicking. Promoting something implies entertainment.
gooseovermaverick - Unfortunately it is a legitimate way to win a fight and if your better than your opponent then you will be able to stop him from doing it
Look a benson trying to wall and stall pettis and those stupid calf kicks and foot stomps. Pettis didnt let him and tapped him. People only treat you the way you let them treat you
Avoiding conflict shouldn't be rewarded in a professional fight (cue the stand and wang assholes). A solid defense is definitely necessary but taking someone down and then passing guard or mounting them while not attempting to finish them either through strikes or submissions shouldn't be rewarded.
Dude, think about what you just said. If you are able to get someone down, pass guard, mount them and control them it shouldn't be rewarded? I don't understand how that's a bad thing.
My point is that after about 5 seconds of not attempting to improve position, a submission, or throwing a significant strike the ref should stand them up. A fighter shouldn't get the chance to hold on or grind out a victory. Now if they can continually take someone down 7 to 8 times a round after being repeatedly stood up then they definitely deserve the win.
gooseovermaverick - Unfortunately it is a legitimate way to win a fight and if your better than your opponent then you will be able to stop him from doing it
Look a benson trying to wall and stall pettis and those stupid calf kicks and foot stomps. Pettis didnt let him and tapped him. People only treat you the way you let them treat you
Avoiding conflict shouldn't be rewarded in a professional fight (cue the stand and wang assholes). A solid defense is definitely necessary but taking someone down and then passing guard or mounting them while not attempting to finish them either through strikes or submissions shouldn't be rewarded.
Dude, think about what you just said. If you are able to get someone down, pass guard, mount them and control them it shouldn't be rewarded? I don't understand how that's a bad thing.
My point is that after about 5 seconds of not attempting to improve position, a submission, or throwing a significant strike the ref should stand them up. A fighter shouldn't get the chance to hold on or grind out a victory. Now if they can continually take someone down 7 to 8 times a round after being repeatedly stood up then they definitely deserve the win.
See, Joe Rogan talks about this a lot. Maybe this comes down to different opinions but if a fight hits the ground, I think it should stay there. It's up to the guy on the bottom to get up or else all sense of a realistic fight and imposing skills or styles on an opponent goes out the window.
