Special Counsel for Trump/Russia Megathread

Pumpkin Spice Lazarus -


Good time to introduce this Russian (in light of the sanctions detailed above):



| Oleg Deripaska |





Per Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleg_Deripaska



- Russian oligarch, aluminum magnate and philanthropist



- Founder and owner of one of the largest Russian industrial groups Basic Element



- Was president of En+ Group and United Company Rusal, the second largest aluminium company in the world, until 2018



Relevance to investigation:



- March 22, 2017 - AP Exclusive: Before Trump job, Manafort worked to aid Putin



"Manafort proposed in a confidential strategy plan as early as June 2005 that he would influence politics, business dealings and news coverage inside the United States, Europe and former Soviet republics to benefit President Vladimir Putin’s government, even as U.S.-Russia relations under Republican President George W. Bush grew worse.



Manafort pitched the plans to aluminum magnate Oleg Deripaska, a close Putin ally with whom Manafort eventually signed a $10 million annual contract beginning in 2006, according to interviews with several people familiar with payments to Manafort and business records obtained by the AP. Manafort and Deripaska maintained a business relationship until at least 2009, according to one person familiar with the work.



“We are now of the belief that this model can greatly benefit the Putin Government if employed at the correct levels with the appropriate commitment to success,” Manafort wrote in the 2005 memo to Deripaska. The effort, Manafort wrote, “will be offering a great service that can re-focus, both internally and externally, the policies of the Putin government.”



- ^ Deripaska wrote in The Washington Post and The Wall Street Journal denying he signed a $10 million contract with Manafort, and they both denied that there was anything nefarious going on.  He also filed a libel lawsuit against AP for this story, but it 'was dismissed... on the groups that Deripaska had not disputed 'any material facts' in the story...'



- About the Oleg Deripaska Reference in the Mueller Memo - Wheeler takes a look at Mueller's response to a motion to dismiss his indictment on Manafort (here) which references Oleg Deripaska. She reasons that Mueller is likely "pre-authorizing" the direction he's taking the Manafort case without having to reveal any evidence yet in this ongoing battle with Paul's defense team:



"To sum up thus far: this reference to Deripaska is, to the best of my knowledge, the first explicit reference to him anywhere in the Manafort docket. It has no obvious place in a memo explaining why Mueller is authorized to prosecute Manafort for money laundering tied to the Party of Regions. But there it is, in the middle of a paragraph explaining why Manafort’s prosecution follows logically even from the original grant of authority, to say nothing of any unredacted or redacted bullet points explicitly including Manafort’s alleged and documented ties to Deripaska in the scope of Mueller’s authority. By including it in the memo, Mueller effectively includes Deripaska in the ongoing discussions of the things Judge Amy Berman Jackson will likely soon agree Mueller has the authority to prosecute.



It is, then, the most telling line in the entire memo, and the most clever. It uses the opportunity of this memo to pre-authorize where Mueller is going, without having to reveal what evidence Mueller is sitting on to go there.



Of course, where he’s going — to this oligarch and his crony’s role in Trump’s election — is very obviously tied to the case in chief, the Russian tampering in the US election."



- Paul Manafort: American Hustler -- Franklin Foer deals with the Deripaska/Manafort relationship thoroughly in this piece. He details the $100 million financing Oleg provided for an investment firm Manafort established in Ukraine & Russia.



Oleg later files motion in court trying to track down some of these funds that he wanted back, and the article portrays Manafort & Rick Gates as having essentially gotten the fuck out of dodge. It was a few years of dodging, some personal crises along the way, before Manafort tried to establish himself in U.S. politics again by reaching out to Donald Trump in regards to his campaign, and offering his services for free:



"But Manafort must have also believed that money would eventually come, just as it always had, from the influence he would wield in the campaign, and exponentially more so if Trump won. So might other favors and dispensations. These notions were very likely what led him to reach out to Oleg Deripaska almost immediately upon securing a post within the campaign, after having evaded him for years. Through one of his old deputies, a Ukrainian named Konstantin Kilimnik, he sent along press clippings that highlighted his new job. “How do we use to get whole,” Manafort emailed Kilimnik. “Has OVD operation seen?” Manafort’s spokesman has acknowledged that the initials refer to Oleg Vladimirovich Deripaska. In the course of the exchanges, Kilimnik expressed optimism that “we will get back to the original relationship” with the oligarch."

 

Here's Putin opponent, Alexei Navalny, talking a little more about Oleg Deripaska. Deripaska has been actively trying to scrub this video from the internet, threatening to ban Instagram and YouTube from Russia - http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-43058399

 

The prostitute referenced was immediately arrested after the video was released. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/02/world/asia/nastya-russia-trump-election.html

^Haven’t followed that closely. Hard to process the claims of a Russian political figure and a Belarusian sex worker detained in Thailand. 

Worth looking into?

There are like 3 Orcus accounts in this thread alone

Sogsteel - 

There are like 3 Orcus accounts in this thread alone


None of them wanted to miss out on the "MEGA" thread.

JUST IN: Paul Manafort's lawyer files a motion seeking to suppress evidence obtained from a storage unit, but not his residence. https://t.co/DRsgFD0eji pic.twitter.com/KrU2hhCKMu

— Chris Geidner (@chrisgeidner) April 7, 2018

Filed just before the deadline last night. Claims that the FBI worked with someone to open the storage unit without the proper authority. Evidence includes all sorts of material including some files on work with the Podesta Group. 

Doesn’t look promising as the guy is still currently employed by Manafort and listed as the occupant of the unit. 

Timeline:

- SC appointed May 17, 2017

- George Papadopoulos arrested July 27, 2017

- George Papadopoulos pleaded guilty on October 5, 2017 (arrest and cooperation not public knowledge prior)

- Paul Manafort and Rick Gates initially indicted October 27, 2017

- Michael Flynn pleaded guilty December 01, 2017 

- Richard Pinedo pleaded guilty February 12, 2018

- IRA / 13 individuals and 3 entities indicted February 16, 2018

- Alex van der Zwaan pleaded guilty February 20, 2018

- Rick Gates pleaded guilty to two counts, reduced from thirty-two, on February 23, 2018. Becomes cooperating witness. 

 

^ So we don’t know where the Gates cooperation will take them. We’re just over a month since that occurred. Gates is obviously going to be able to confirm all sorts of things regarding Manafort.

He also stayed on the campaign after Manafort left though, and through the inauguration. 

He took the heat for the Melania Trump speech at the RNC that jacked Michelle Obama’s — claiming that he edited and signed off on it. I’m thinking that considering the other dirt he was involved with he might have laughed off being the scapegoat for that (heh). 

I’d say we still haven’t seen the product of the cooperation of Papadopoulos, Flynn, or Nader in addition to Gates. 

Later. 

Good-looking thread.

| George Nader |

Status: cooperating witness

- Reportedly offered immunity for his information

- Pedo convicted in multiple countries 

- Served as adviser to the UAE

- SC reportedly interested in December 2016 Trump Tower meeting with Jared Kushner, Steve Bannon, and Mohammed bin Zayed (Crown Prince/de-factor ruler of Abu Dhabi)

- SC reportedly interested in January 2017 meeting in Seychelles involving Mohammed Bin Sayed, Kirill Dmitriev (CEO of Russian Direct Investment Fund), and Erik Prince (Founder & former CEO of Blackwater; informal Trump campaign adviser role). 

- Stopped at airport January 2018 — questioned by FBI en route to Mar-a-Lago for event

- Cooperation not publicly leaked (likely by Nader himself) until March 6, 2018 

More:

- George Nader, one of the Trump-Russia investigation’s most mysterious figures, explained (Vox)

- House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence — November 30, 2017 — transcript of Erik Prince testimony: http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/20171130/106661/HHRG-115-IG00-Transcript-20171130.pdf

- NYT piece on Nader’s Russia connections, FBI stopping an Australian business man at an airport for questioning related to Nader, etc.: https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/04/04/us/politics/george-nader-russia-uae-special-counsel-investigation.html

A real fucking gem of bullshit from Robert Charles via Fox News: 

Trump Sanctions on Russia: This is as far from “collusion” as you can get

“... Here is the kicker, a savory irony to beat all ironies. These latest Trump sanctions on Russia suggest – despite the mainstream media’s wish to minimize, mitigate and ignore facts – that the Trump White House and Special Counsel Robert Mueller, along with Russia’s critics in Congress, increasingly see the world through one prism.

The color Russia is painting itself, for all of them, is dark and darker, not brighter. While Putin aims to divide Americans, he is in fact uniting us.

President Reagan denounced the Soviet Union as an “evil empire.” Putin’s aggressive behavior around the world has once again earned his government that unseemly title.”

———-

How a Fox contributor can distinguish the network from “mainstream media” as he writes blatant propaganda for the POTUS, on our most popular mainstream outlet, is beyond me.  

He’s right to attack media’s misinformation regarding “collusion”, but he’s also helping to support that misconception. 

These sanctions have jack-shit to do with any potential conspiracy involving the Trump campaign. More than anything they demonstrate the POTUS’ mixed messages regarding policy on Russia and his response to the matter. He’s either a) just now catching up to reality, or b) being overlooked as more sensible members of his cabinet take the lead on this. 

“Friday’s sanctions also hit at least one wealthy oligarch who was reportedly close to the disgraced, short-lived former Trump Campaign Manager Paul Manafort. That oligarch is Oleg Deripaska. President Trump’s apparent message in targeting Deripaska is that corruption is indefensible – and he won’t defend it.”

Wonder if a potential pardon is off the table for the disgraced, short-lived former Trump Campaign Manager then.

Pumpkin Spice Lazarus -

^Haven’t followed that closely. Hard to process the claims of a Russian political figure and a Belarusian sex worker detained in Thailand. 

Worth looking into?

The video is absolutely worth a watch. The reason they want it taken down is because it has footage of said sex worker on Deripaska’s yacht.

 

Pumpkin Spice Lazarus - 

JUST IN: Paul Manafort's lawyer files a motion seeking to suppress evidence obtained from a storage unit, but not his residence. https://t.co/DRsgFD0eji pic.twitter.com/KrU2hhCKMu

— Chris Geidner (@chrisgeidner) April 7, 2018

Filed just before the deadline last night. Claims that the FBI worked with someone to open the storage unit without the proper authority. Evidence includes all sorts of material including some files on work with the Podesta Group. 

Doesn’t look promising as the guy is still currently employed by Manafort and listed as the occupant of the unit. 


Thats sort of a problem if your warrant only covers specific area's which they always do. If the warrant was only for his home then anything found else where without warrant is tainted.

Hammerstein -
Pumpkin Spice Lazarus - 

^Haven’t followed that closely. Hard to process the claims of a Russian political figure and a Belarusian sex worker detained in Thailand. 

Worth looking into?


Did you watch the vid? He seems to lay it out pretty convincingly, though I obviously haven't confirmed his source info. He does provide enough info for people to check for themselves, at least to some extent. It's an interesting tie-in to the Manafort stuff, though not directly connected.

I agree. It's the weirdest "subplot" to this whole thing but this is pretty hilariously, clearly spelled out. Navalny has some serious balls by attempting to step into Magnitsky-level shit.

daglord -

 

Won’t endorse the video — but at 1:45 they play a clip from an interview with Manafort that I was watching the other night. 

Pretty telling stuttering when he’s asked about Russian oligarch connections to the campaign — lol. If you watch the full interview he’s a smooth operator right until that question is asked and he melts.

”So to be clear — Mr. Trump has no financial relationships with any Russian oligarchs?”

”That’s what he said, uh... uh... that’s what I said... that’s uh... obviously what our position is”

Which isn’t to say something damning about Trump, but I bet he had that outstanding debt with Deripaska and his outreach to him floating through his head at that moment.

Hammerstein -
Pumpkin Spice Lazarus - 

^Haven’t followed that closely. Hard to process the claims of a Russian political figure and a Belarusian sex worker detained in Thailand. 

Worth looking into?


Did you watch the vid? He seems to lay it out pretty convincingly, though I obviously haven't confirmed his source info. He does provide enough info for people to check for themselves, at least to some extent. It's an interesting tie-in to the Manafort stuff, though not directly connected.

Videos are like the plague for me. I can read and fact-check half-a-dozen articles in the time it takes me to watch a video. 

If one of you gents could give a brief overview of the claims made by the opposition figure and the girl I’d appreciate it and give an invisible vote up.

Pumpkin Spice Lazarus -
Hammerstein -
Pumpkin Spice Lazarus - 

^Haven’t followed that closely. Hard to process the claims of a Russian political figure and a Belarusian sex worker detained in Thailand. 

Worth looking into?


Did you watch the vid? He seems to lay it out pretty convincingly, though I obviously haven't confirmed his source info. He does provide enough info for people to check for themselves, at least to some extent. It's an interesting tie-in to the Manafort stuff, though not directly connected.

Videos are like the plague for me. I can read and fact-check half-a-dozen articles in the time it takes me to watch a video. 

If one of you gents could give a brief overview of the claims made by the opposition figure and the girl I’d appreciate it and give an invisible vote up.

Admittedly, this is a very deep well. But for the sake of documentation, lemmie see if I can sum it up.

Pumpkin Spice Lazarus -
Ill Portents - PSL, what is the ratio of how 1) hilarious, 2) frightening, 3) depressing it is to you that more people want to discuss the ramifications of QAnon's latest bullshit than your compilation of facts on what could end up being the biggest political story of the century?


80% Frightening



15% hilarious



5% depressing



I sympathize.

100% jelly

David@accu -
Pumpkin Spice Lazarus - 

JUST IN: Paul Manafort's lawyer files a motion seeking to suppress evidence obtained from a storage unit, but not his residence. https://t.co/DRsgFD0eji pic.twitter.com/KrU2hhCKMu

— Chris Geidner (@chrisgeidner) April 7, 2018

Filed just before the deadline last night. Claims that the FBI worked with someone to open the storage unit without the proper authority. Evidence includes all sorts of material including some files on work with the Podesta Group. 

Doesn’t look promising as the guy is still currently employed by Manafort and listed as the occupant of the unit. 


Thats sort of a problem if your warrant only covers specific area's which they always do. If the warrant was only for his home then anything found else where without warrant is tainted.

Apparently pre-warrant. The guy in question gave the FBI permission to enter the storage unit, take an account of what was inside, and then obtained a search warrant to take and review the materials. 

We’ll see. Judge will probably rule on it next week. Manafort’s defense is clearly competent and they’ve filed a lawsuit, filed motions to dismiss evidence, etc.