Tim Larkin is just pissed that anyone with a blue belt in bjj can kick his ass.
furthermore, by the argument of this senario, the only way to get good is to go around throwing full force punches with the intention of maiming or killing your sparring partners.
if done right no can defend
I don't normally agree with everything that Matt Thornton (Straight Blast Gym) says, but he has some archived articles on the topic. They are actually named 'Sport vs. Street'. I suggest reading them, they are very accurate and very good. He pretty much put this debate to bed years ago.
"Pops the capsule in the elbow" wtf are you kidding me?
Well I dont BELIEVE this story is truth at all..
A guy tapping in the street?
A guy letting go when he is attacked by two guys??
My son tells better stories!!
"Sweeeet knives! With that last one, you barely even need a penis...." is what i would write if I were absolutley sure that this thread was a fabrication from the beginning. I suspect it was, but cannot be sure. So I won't write that.
John
re: The Tim Larkin videos
I love how the defender doesn't try to nuetralize (sp?) the knife arm in the first video.
this isnt a real story.
Sean Reed...I think you are misunderstanding what I believe. That article is not written by me. One of the reasons I posted it was to see if anyone knew who the jujutsu practitioner was and if the story could be verified. I don't believe everything I read either, especially when no names are given. I never said I believed the story.
I totally believe in training for sport. I also believe you should train for combat also, if you want to be as well prepared as possible.
Sport training is not the same as combat, but I think it can help you deal with the adrenaline dump. It's not the same as facing a life threatening situation, but it helps.
I never said all sport fighters would stop, it is just something good to think about. Making a mental committment and thinking about combat will also help you be more prepared, IMO. For example, if you have a gun in your house for self defense or carry a knife for self defense. I think you should decide in advance when you would use it.
SeanReed...If I could carry a gun legally, I would.
DLondoMMA...I believe you.
It seems that someone on the UG would know who the jujutsu fighter was if the story was true.
"again, I can't verify the story, but it's possible. "
doesnt it sound fake to you though? it sure does to me.
RamK...Yes, it does seem fake, especially since nobody on the UG can verify it. Again, whether the story is fake or not doesn't really matter. It is something to think about and has lead to some good discussion.
Sam,
Thats the beauty of living in Texas, getting a CHL is easy. It is really a pro-gun environment here. One of the top tactical instructers is comming to my house tomorrow..spending 3 hours in my home working with me and 2 hours on the range, and all for $150.
Sam, I know you have been around for a long time...but so have I. I have trained with more than a dozen pro MMA fighters....most of them had average records. I have witnessed (3) and or gotten first hand accounts of many of them in street fights, and they never let go due to a tap. Most hurt people pretty badly and then faced charges. It has been my experience that MMA fighters are generally real mean bastards in a street fight. They are often the first to bite, eye gouge and do all the nasty things that internet warriors claim they are not prepared to do.
A good example is Jerry Speigel, who has a losing MMA record. He is a real nut job in a street fight...I almost had to kill him one night when he was drunk, lol. If you stabbed him you would just make him mad.
A trained cage fighter, even one w/ a losing record is extremely dangerous in a real fight.
I have seen a top pro boxer get shaken in a real conflict, and I have also seen a pure grappler get his ass whupped because he had never been hit before (also, he was jumped by 2 guys) but guys who cross train for the cage are usually pretty ready for a street fight. You get so many beatings in practice that you toughen up.
The story is totally fake imo. But the concept is nothing new. How many times have you seen a guy give up in a fight and then attempt to sucker punch the guy who just fucked him up?
Same thing with this tapping story. The JJ guy (lol @ "well known") made the decision to let the other guy quit. Doesn't matter if it's by tapping or verbally.
But that begs the question: How stupid could the jj guy be to allow a knifewielding attacker to give up while retaining the weapon. It's absurd, which is why the story is just made up. Nobody's sport "instincts" are going to overcome such basic common sense.
Sean & CrazyZimmerman...You guys make good points, I know sport fighters who are tough in the street also. This story sounds made up to me also. However, I also know the Highway Patrol story is true and that shouldn't have happened either.
Thanks for all the great input.
frank mir said it best...
"i dont do submissions to feel you tap out i do it feel it break." in a street fight i will never let you go untill i am out of harms way for SURE.
How are you suggesting changing trainging in bjj? start hurting training partners?
JoeRoganWannabe, aka: TUFNoobieWannabe...are you saying the time I trained in BJJ was wasted? I disagree, BJJ is a great style for sport and street. I recommend it for everyone.
keylockarmbar...I remember Frank Mir saying that. I'm sure Frank would do just fine in the street.