Supreme court: religous freedom>cuomo restrictions

Fuck cuomo

WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court placed religious freedom before pandemic precautions Wednesday night, temporarily blocking recent rules in New York that severely restricted gatherings at houses of worship in areas hit hardest by COVID-19.

The court's new, more conservative majority ruled 5-4 that Gov. Andrew Cuomo's limits on churches, synagogues and other houses of worship to 10 or 25 worshipers in hard-hit regions appeared to violate the First Amendment's Free Exercise Clause.

"Even in a pandemic, the Constitution cannot be put away and forgotten," the court's unsigned majority opinion said. "The restrictions at issue here, by effectively barring many from attending religious services, strike at the very heart of the First Amendment’s guarantee of religious liberty."

It was a reversal from earlier actions taken by the high court in response to state restrictions on organized religion during the coronavirus pandemic. The justices previously refused to lift restrictions on churches in California and Nevada, with Chief Justice John Roberts joining the court's four liberals in upholding state restrictions.

But since then, Associate Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg died and was succeeded by Associate Justice Amy Coney Barrett, giving conservatives a 6-3 majority. Roberts and the three liberal justices dissented from Wednesday night's ruling.

"It is a significant matter to override determinations made by public health officials concerning what is necessary for public safety in the midst of a deadly pandemic," the chief justice said. He noted that the limits have changed even as the court was considering the two challenges, so that churches and synagogues now can hold services at 50% capacity.

But Associate Justice Neil Gorsuch took direct aim at Roberts' earlier opinion in the California case, arguing that ceding authority to elected officials takes judicial modesty too far.

"It is time – past time – to make plain that, while the pandemic poses many grave challenges, there is no world in which the Constitution tolerates color-coded executive edicts that reopen liquor stores and bike shops but shutter churches, synagogues, and mosques," he wrote.

Associate Justices Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan emphasized the pandemic's impact on the nation and New York in particular.

"According to experts, the risk of transmission is higher when people are in close contact with one another for prolonged periods of time, particularly indoors or in other enclosed spaces," Breyer wrote. "The nature of the epidemic, the spikes, the uncertainties, and the need for quick action, taken together, mean that the state has countervailing arguments based upon health, safety, and administrative considerations that must be balanced against the applicants’ First Amendment challenges."

The New York restrictions, announced in October, were challenged by the Roman Catholic Diocese of Brooklyn and Agudath Israel, an Orthodox Jewish congregation. They claimed Cuomo's order targeted houses of worship while treating secular institutions less stringently and allowing essential businesses to operate without restrictions.

"The governor openly admitted that his executive order is a 'blunt' policy 'being cut by a hatchet,'" lawyers for the diocese wrote. "The pandemic alone cannot justify overbroad, untailored closure orders of indefinite duration directed at all 'houses of worship' that in another time would plainly be found to violate the Constitution."

The Orthodox Jewish organization said its members were being singled out for "discriminatory targeting" because of past violations of COVID-19 restrictions by some Orthodox Jews. It called that "guilt-by-religious-association." 

"The restrictions have eliminated the ability of many Jews to worship on important religious holy days," its lawyers wrote. "None of this is necessary to protect public health."

In response, state Solicitor General Barbara Underwood noted that New York was the national epicenter of the coronavirus pandemic in the spring and has seen more than 26,000 deaths, including over 16,000 in New York City alone. Lately, she wrote, the state began observing "clusters" in some communities and chose to combat them.

"The restrictions significantly constrain the extent to which gatherings may occur," she acknowledged. But she noted that comparable secular gatherings, such as concerts and other events, "are completely prohibited."

Recently, her office notified the court that "due to a reduction of cases in the area," the six Catholic churches in Brooklyn that had faced strict limits would be free to admit more worshipers.

In response, the Diocese called the change "more than a little curious, especially when ... rates are otherwise rising in New York State."

"Any one of the Diocese’s churches can again be subjected to fixed-capacity restrictions on literally a moment’s notice," it said in legal papers. "The Sword of Damocles continues to hang over the Diocese’s head, whether or not a particular church happens to fall within a particular zone at a particular point in time."

The balancing act between public health and religious liberty has given the high court trouble since the spring. The justices ruled 5-4 in May against a California church seeking to exceed a 25% capacity limit that was more stringent than local businesses faced. In July, it upheld Nevada's 50-person limit on church gatherings while letting casinos, bars and restaurants operate at 50% capacity.

Earlier: Supreme Court says Nevada can impose tighter virus limits on churches than casinos

Associate Justice Samuel Alito told the conservative Federalist Society recently that COVID-19 restrictions have resulted in "previously unimaginable restrictions on individual liberty." He denounced high court rulings that he said discriminated against religious groups and argued that the pandemic highlighted a wider assault on religious freedom.

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Amen

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Fuck ya

I hope NY churchgoers make good decisions. 

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StankieEdgar -

I hope NY churchgoers make good decisions. 

Agreed,Cuomo has been terrible sending the coronavirus positive elders back into the nursing homes.

They better vote him out next time.

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The real story is that 4/9 SCJs don't believe the first amendment applies in a pandemic. Not that it *shouldn't*, but that it *doesn't*. Pure alegal activists

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Probably not the right place or thread for this, but I’m in a mood:

Man, I just don’t get it.

I get the people who think the infection rate &/or mortality rate are no big deal, and those who don’t care about losing X% of old &/or sick &/or fat people. I disagree with you as deeply as possible, but I understand where you’re coming from.

& I think the politicization of this topic is stupid & appalling, but I get where you loons are coming from, too.

But why the fuck is anybody fighting for shit most of us can easily do electronically while we wait this thing out? Thanksgiving & church* & dining & cookouts & protesting & entertainment, all that shit, dude do your part, suck it up & forward that Zoom link, come the fuck on.

*If you’re in a fruity cult that has ridiculous shit to say about using electricity during Sabbath (which you routinely figure out how to circumvent but that’s another story altogether) or anything invented past the year 1800, I get where you coming from too, & OK free pass even though you’re the bullshitiest of all the bullshit cults.

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BarkLikeADog - Probably not the right place or thread for this, but I'm in a mood:

Man, I just don’t get it.

I get the people who think the infection rate &/or mortality rate are no big deal, and those who don’t care about losing X% of old &/or sick &/or fat people. I disagree with you as deeply as possible, but I understand where you’re coming from.

& I think the politicization of this topic is stupid & appalling, but I get where you loons are coming from, too.

But why the fuck is anybody fighting for shit most of us can easily do electronically while we wait this thing out? Thanksgiving & church* & dining & cookouts & protesting & entertainment, all that shit, dude do your part, suck it up & forward that Zoom link, come the fuck on.

*If you’re in a fruity cult that has ridiculous shit to say about using electricity during Sabbath (which you routinely figure out how to circumvent but that’s another story altogether) or anything invented past the year 1800, I get where you coming from too, & OK free pass even though you’re the bullshitiest of all the bullshit cults.

Not everyone can do most things electronically. A lot need to physically go to work to make money and people like you dont seem to understand this.

I cant build a house or garage electronically and if I can’t do that my boss don’t get paid, then I dont get paid. 

How long do you expect people, who cant work from home, to stay home? When is a good time frame to get back to work?

How much longer?

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Roberts might as well have been appointed by Clinton.

GTFO

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Fuck cuomo the cuck

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Just an FYI: courts, politicians and governments don’t determine your rights.

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Looney Ronulan Paultard -

Amen

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BarkLikeADog - Probably not the right place or thread for this, but I'm in a mood:

Man, I just don’t get it.

I get the people who think the infection rate &/or mortality rate are no big deal, and those who don’t care about losing X% of old &/or sick &/or fat people. I disagree with you as deeply as possible, but I understand where you’re coming from.

& I think the politicization of this topic is stupid & appalling, but I get where you loons are coming from, too.

But why the fuck is anybody fighting for shit most of us can easily do electronically while we wait this thing out? Thanksgiving & church* & dining & cookouts & protesting & entertainment, all that shit, dude do your part, suck it up & forward that Zoom link, come the fuck on.

*If you’re in a fruity cult that has ridiculous shit to say about using electricity during Sabbath (which you routinely figure out how to circumvent but that’s another story altogether) or anything invented past the year 1800, I get where you coming from too, & OK free pass even though you’re the bullshitiest of all the bullshit cults.

Waaaa! Muh pandemic!

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BarkLikeADog - Probably not the right place or thread for this, but I'm in a mood:

Man, I just don’t get it.

I get the people who think the infection rate &/or mortality rate are no big deal, and those who don’t care about losing X% of old &/or sick &/or fat people. I disagree with you as deeply as possible, but I understand where you’re coming from.

& I think the politicization of this topic is stupid & appalling, but I get where you loons are coming from, too.

But why the fuck is anybody fighting for shit most of us can easily do electronically while we wait this thing out? Thanksgiving & church* & dining & cookouts & protesting & entertainment, all that shit, dude do your part, suck it up & forward that Zoom link, come the fuck on.

*If you’re in a fruity cult that has ridiculous shit to say about using electricity during Sabbath (which you routinely figure out how to circumvent but that’s another story altogether) or anything invented past the year 1800, I get where you coming from too, & OK free pass even though you’re the bullshitiest of all the bullshit cults.

So that’s like all wrong. Nobody is saying they have to go to church, just that the state can’t restrict them. People can chose to do their part and “suck it up” by going to church online, but the state doesn’t have the right to make that choice for them.

People are fighting this because if you don’t oppose government over reach at each step, you’ll eventually be living under its jackbooted heel

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Fuck John Roberts.

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Glad we got ACB on the court to protect our rights. The 2a is next.

Roberts wrote in his dissent that the restrictions very well may violate the freedom of exercise of religion clause of the constitution but would have allowed it anyway. Pathetic 

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Restrictions should be based on science. And saying that the largest cathedral and the tiniest chapel have the same hard limits is obviously not scientific.

however, hard limits based on total number of people in churches is no different than other mass gatherings that are non-religious. So, churches aren’t really being singled out. If anything, they are getting a special exception. For, as BLAD said, something that absolutely can be done remotely in most cases.

lastly, somebody tell Neil Gorsuch that the liquor store and bike shop owners aren’t suing to get as many people inside their buildings as they can. Those businesses aren’t built around communities filling buildings and singing, and those businesses require an in person interaction, while church services do not. 

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BarkLikeADog - Probably not the right place or thread for this, but I'm in a mood:

Man, I just don’t get it.

I get the people who think the infection rate &/or mortality rate are no big deal, and those who don’t care about losing X% of old &/or sick &/or fat people. I disagree with you as deeply as possible, but I understand where you’re coming from.

& I think the politicization of this topic is stupid & appalling, but I get where you loons are coming from, too.

But why the fuck is anybody fighting for shit most of us can easily do electronically while we wait this thing out? Thanksgiving & church* & dining & cookouts & protesting & entertainment, all that shit, dude do your part, suck it up & forward that Zoom link, come the fuck on.

*If you’re in a fruity cult that has ridiculous shit to say about using electricity during Sabbath (which you routinely figure out how to circumvent but that’s another story altogether) or anything invented past the year 1800, I get where you coming from too, & OK free pass even though you’re the bullshitiest of all the bullshit cults.

You’re like a frog at the bottom of a well.  

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Also, I have to say seeing non religious OG conservatives, who were previously more libertarian minded, now often openly praising a judiciary that favors religion while still not being personally religious has truly been weird to see over the years.

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StankieEdgar -

I hope NY churchgoers make good decisions. 

 I can guarantee you they don't decide to burn down their local Arby's when the get mad. 

Signed, 

An Atheist 

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